Hawk891

[Bill Cummings]

I put up a slow motion video of a hummingbird and it was moved here to the free speech zone.
It strayed too far from hang gliding. That's why it was moved here.
Just like we can't take a gun to work in our lunch bucket in most all non government situations and even in some government situations the same holds true with blogs, and forums when it comes to the constitution. There is no protection in those situations. Free speech is another exemption.
When we make an agreement it most often waives our rights. I made a contract to waive some of my rights to participate
on this website. If I'm banned from this website I have no legal remedy. That's the agreement I clicked on to join.
I use this area for all my non hang gliding agendas.
Each club has the ability to ban someone from their club's local forum.
I've had my non hang gliding posts viewed by tens of thousands of viewers here in the Free Speech Zone.
I suggest you stick to hang gliding when posting on the main forum and your other non hang gliding posts here on the Free Speech Zone.

[hawk891]

Thank you for verifying this website does not have actual freedom of speech. That is a complete lie, a farce. This is exactly the type of fascist freedom of speech pen tyrannical governments set up. Bob Kuczewski is constantly claiming this site is different because it really honors freedom of speech.

One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.

But now we know the truth. The moment Herr Bob doesn't like what you are saying, he brings out the kangaroo court, all you fascists pile on, and forcibly remove a gay citizen from all the forums regular members can post to, and shove him into a pen.
We now have two sets of rights. You have special access to all the forums. This gay citizen is put into a pen like an animal. This site is clearly against equal rights. Shameful and vile.

If you support this as well, then you may join their historical wall of shame as another fascist in support of silencing citizens. This is the most anti-freedom of speech forum I have ever witnessed. You people are shameless. Don't you dare ever use the term freedom of speech again. Heil!

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[Bill Cummings]

Hawk891,
Too bad you didn't figure out about the site rule of HG stuff on the HG forum and non HG stuff here at the free speech zone.
Many of the Hawks post non HG stuff here in the zone - and just go look at all the views we are getting.
I don't know how to set up a site like this to advance my agenda (Non HG) but Bob set this up and has left us to go to it with whatever turns our crank.
I've even offered to contribute to web expenses that he might have but he will not accept the money. He pays extra to keep the advertisement BS out.
What other website will provide the same thing?
Here you will not have to walk on eggshells like at the OZ or the hg.org.
So post away here then copy/paste to the oz and hgdotorg just for a test. For a test as easy as this one I'm able to see into the future as to what will happen.
But here is the odd thing. You can also post hang gliding stuff here, free, no adds, no eggshells.

[hawk891]

You put me in a secured pen like an animal with unequal rights. You, Bob and the rest of your cabal have extra rights to post in other forums, while the gay man is confined to this pen.

I'm signing up on the other forums now, where I i'm not put into a pen. You speak of not having to walk on eggshells after you put me in a pen because I spoke my mind? The irony is hard to miss Herr Bill

The Bob show continues to play as Herr Bob continues to destroy the US Hawks. Or is it the Chinese Hawks. Hard to tell

The Only Thing Necessary for the Triumph of Evil is that Good Men Do Nothing

Heil The Chinese Hawks!

[hawk891]

Here you will not have to walk on eggshells like at the OZ or the hg.org.

I can't seem to find the censorship pens on the Oz Report and hg.org. I did not walk on eggshells here and I find myself in a censorship pen Herr Bill Time to let the Bob Show resume on it's scheduled ministry of truth cable channel Enjoy your extra rights, granted to members of your cabal.

[Bob Kuczewski]

Hawk891,

I don't believe anything you say because you take no accountability for what you say.

Bob Kuczewski

[Bob Kuczewski]

Thank you for verifying this website does not have actual freedom of speech.

I believe you have mischaracterized Bill's response.

When people in the U.S. talk about "Freedom of Speech", that term is well understood to have certain limitations such as the often cited "FIRE!" in a crowded theater example. The term "free speech" (and associated limitations) is still evolving in the era of the Internet. In particular, the anonymity available via the Internet changes the way that so called "speech" should be understood.

Prior to the Internet, people could send anonymous letters to an editor for wide distribution, but it was the editor's choice to filter those letters for credibility. It is very unlikely that any responsible editor would have published any of the slanderous tripe spewed by "hawk891" in the pre-Internet era.

That's why we - here at the U.S. Hawks - have had the rule that you must use your real name if you are criticizing others. That rule encapsulates the important element of responsibility which I believe was implicit in the traditional use of the term "Freedom of Speech". The need for responsibility was quickly noted by Joe Faust in his earliest replies to your posting.

Hawk891, your arguments are strikingly similar (in content, timing, and tone) to those by Michael Grisham. But while Michael Grisham has felt somewhat constrained by the damage his speech might do to his name, you have felt no such constraint. Therein lies the problem. So what you would like to call "speech" is not actually speech at all because it is missing the important component of accountability that's normally present in the traditional use of the term "speech".

So to recap, the U.S. Hawks does honor freedom of speech in the long standing tradition of that term (no yelling "fire" in a theater, and proper association between speaker and speech). We also allow anonymous speech that is not attacking anyone. But we don't allow the new form of unfettered and unfiltered anonymous attacks that have been enabled by the modern Internet. That ikind of unfettered and unfiltered anonymous attacking is NOT freedom of speech. It is more akin to cyber terrorism, and we don't allow it here on the U.S. Hawks.

[hawk891]

No Herr Bob

Bill made it perfectly clear that this is not a public forum with freedom of speech protections. I did not mischaracterize anything, what he says stands on it's own and is perfectly clear and correct.

The Hawk are not a governmental entity. The constitution only protects you from government.
When you clicked on the, "agree" button to log on here you made a contract to waive rights and follow website rules.
I did too. Once again, If the private owner says you can't have a gun in your lunch bucket you waive your 2nd amendment rights at the entrance
as a condition to enter. Does this help you realize how it works? I can always try again with other words.

This is a private forum, as shown by Bill above. If you wan't to continue to lie about freedom of speech here by putting gay men into a censorship pens when they say things you don't like, then you are only proving you really are a fascist. Sieg Heil! Or is Bill a liar, and this is not a private forum? Is Bill lying that I did not sign away rights when I submitted the agreement at sign up? Either Bill is a huge liar, or you are a huge liar.

Dear Bill, Herr Bob is saying you are wrong. He seems to believe that this is a public forum with freedom of speech protection, (which would make all of you fascists), not a private forum. Please explain to Herr Bob that this is not a government entity, as you so rightly pointed out, with protected freedom of speech rights as you so clearly stated above. Herr Bob is very confused, please educate him. Your explanation and Herr Bobs censoring actions, are perfectly in alignment. Bob is behaving exactly like someone who owns a private forum. Bob could not legally censor me here with freedom of speech protections. It would be unconstitutional to put a person into a censorship pen if there were actually freedom of speech protections on this site. Bill is clearly correct, and Bob is a lying fraud.

So to recap, the U.S. Hawks does honor freedom of speech in the long standing tradition of that term (no yelling "fire" in a theater, and proper association between speaker and speech).

No - to recap, you have proven beyond all doubt that you do not honor freedom of speech here. This is why I am in this censorship pen. I did not yell fire. You simply put me into a jail because you didn't like my speech, just like a good little fascist. All freedoms have limitations, and yelling fire in a theatre is such a limitation with the 1st amendment. But this forum doesn't have 1st amendment protections at all. Bill made that clear. You wish to conflate a limitation of the 1st amendment with your fascist, draconian censorship of a minority. Your fascist ploy is obvious, and makes you sound even more like the fascist you are. If you want to oppress a gay man, Herr Bob, on your private forum, that is your right. But you cannot pretend there are freedom of speech protections here, after organizing your cabal to put a gay man into a pen by force, against his free will. Siel Heil! Bill is correct, and your actions prove he is correct. Your actions would be illegal if freedom of speech protections actually existed on this forum. They do not. Bill is entirely correct.

As the constitutional scholar pointed out in the other thread, anonymity is protected by the 1st amendment, and has a long history of use by the oppressed, such as black americans and gay americans. To claim freedom of speech rights, while at the same time censoring this gay man for executing his 1st amendment anonymity, is a direct violation of the 1st amendment. The reason you can actually do this, is because this is a private forum without freedom of speech protections. Therefore, Bill is entirely correct, and Herr Bob is wildly confused. Sieg Heil! I look forward to the next Bob show post

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[Bill Cummings]

I'm real sure that anonymously comparing a named individual's character to fascists, accompanied with third Reich photos was as far off the mark as my videos of a hummingbird. Non hang gliding related text has a way of ending up in the Free Speech Zone. Non HG related things go here in the zone. But also it is my understanding
that unfounded, un-provable, personal attacks on individuals here will also have me protecting my behind as I exit the door of the Free Speech Zone.
It was that damn pesky AGREE button.

[hawk891]

It was that damn pesky AGREE button.

Bill reaffirms, all rights are signed away. There is no way to opt out. Thanks for re-affirming there are no freedom of speech rights here. Told ya Herr Bob Bill is right. Herr Bob is a lying fraud as usual. The bob show continues

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