Discuss Tad here

[Nobody]

If I can't donate, then what can I do to help?
Just try to visit the forum regularly and post as often as you can. It also helps if you spread the word about the US Hawks and try to bring in new members.

I've restricted Tad to only posting in the "Free Speech Zone".

[Nobody]

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[Nobody]

I've restricted Tad to only posting in the "Free Speech Zone"

Who's next Bob?

[Bob Kuczewski]

Who's next Bob?

Who's Next - What a great album!!

From Wikipedia:

Who's Next

Baba O'Riley
Bargain
Love Ain't for Keeping
My Wife
The Song Is Over
Getting in Tune
Going Mobile
Behind Blue Eyes
Won't Get Fooled Again

There was a time when I could sing every word to every song. I'll bet I could still recall about 90% of the lyrics on the first listen.

Tad isn't banned. He's just lost the privilege of posting directly in the main forums where we're trying to gather enough momentum to launch our new hang gliding association.

Parachutes are great, and they save lives. But they have a time and a place. It's very hard to launch a hang glider with your parachute fully deployed and trailing on the ground behind you. I think that's a good analogy to trying to start a hang gliding forum with Tad fully deployed on every topic.

[Bob Kuczewski]

I've been polling some of the people who I thought might have been avoiding the US Hawks because of Tad. Here's part of one response that I got via email:

When I say that I want absolutely nothing to do with him, I am not exaggerating. The simple fact that he's on your forum means that I will not participate at all.

[Free]

I've been polling some of the people who I thought might have been avoiding the US Hawks because of Tad. Here's part of one response that I got via email:

When I say that I want absolutely nothing to do with him, I am not exaggerating. The simple fact that he's on your forum means that I will not participate at all.

If something like this is going to be used to make some kind of a value judgement against our friend named Tad, then maybe a name should also be attached to this sentiment so that a fair value judgement can also be weighed in this equation?

Just thinking out loud here..

[Bob Kuczewski]

If something like this is going to be used to make some kind of a value judgement against our friend named Tad, then maybe a name should also be attached to this sentiment so that a fair value judgement can also be weighed in this equation?

Just thinking out loud here..

I appreciate the thoughts because I'm not really sure what to do at this point. Right now I'm just trying to assess how many potential members we might be losing. I'm not sure what (if anything) we should do if it turns out to be a significant number.

[Bob Kuczewski]

There's another dimension to the Tad problem that's come to light. The following quotes are from the Free Speech Zone:

Then you can boot me permanently, get all of your halfwitted bootlickers to consolidate power, and start picking off "my friends" as well.

If I boot you permanently it will be due to my concerns over the topic we discussed on the phone. This forum should be a safe place for people of varying ages to visit. You have not given me any assurances that's true with you on this forum.

Wow, Bob! It took DAVIS and ROONEY about five years to get desperate enough and sink low enough to play the child molester card. I'da thunk you'd have kept that one up your sleeve for at least six months or so.

(In case anyone was too stupid to be able to read between Bob's lines I had a fairly happy two year relationship with a twelve to fourteen year old gay kid about 25 years ago which ended with the usual catastrophic legal consequences - for both of us. And Bob thinks that I'm hanging out on HIS forum so I can target one of the many young adolescents who come to places like this to help build better national hang gliding organizations. I will then PM him or her (really doesn't matter) and to lure him or her to the mall in Sioux Falls under false - or not false - pretenses and leave him or her in such a state of ruin that the only humane thing to do would be to put him or her on a dolly with a Lookout release and fire up the Dragonfly.)

This concerns me greatly ... and I still don't know what to do about it.

I heard about this incident when I was on the road, but I waited a few days until I got to San Diego to address it with Tad. Whenever I hear a rumor, I try to either dismiss it or confirm it directly with the person being accused. That's what I did with Tad in this case, and I called him personally to ask about the incident. To his credit, Tad admitted the incident as he has in his post above.

But what concerned me greatly was Tad's response when I asked him if he felt he'd done anything wrong by having homosexual relations with a 12 year old boy. I don't recall Tad's exact words, but they did not reflect any significant remorse for his actions toward the boy.

This is a serious matter, and it's one that I never anticipated when I created this forum or when I invited Tad to join us. I really don't know how to handle this, and I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone on this subject. Thanks in advance.

[SamKellner]

Parachutes are great, and they save lives. But they have a time and a place. It's very hard to launch a hang glider with your parachute fully deployed and trailing on the ground behind you. I think that's a good analogy to trying to start a hang gliding forum with Tad fully deployed on every topic.

And now, we KNOW, for the correct reasons.

Yes, good analogy. Even on the HG topic. How far aloft will we get?

I think we are seeing an up-tick in constructive forum use already.

[Free]

This is a serious matter, and it's one that I never anticipated when I created this forum or when I invited Tad to join us. I really don't know how to handle this, and I would appreciate thoughtful comments from anyone on this subject. Thanks in advance.

https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Double_jeopardy

Double jeopardy is a procedural defense that forbids a defendant from being tried again on the same, or similar charges following a legitimate acquittal or conviction. At common law a defendant may enter a peremptory plea of autrefois acquit or autrefois convict (autrefois means "previously" in French), meaning the defendant has been acquitted or convicted of the same offense.

If this issue is raised, evidence will be placed before the court, which will normally rule as a preliminary matter whether the plea is substantiated, and if it so finds, the projected trial will be prevented from proceeding. In many countries the guarantee against being "twice put in jeopardy" is a constitutional right; these include India, Mexico, and the United States. In other countries, the protection is afforded by statute law.