Davis Straub; Idiot Statist, Endless Wars & Tyranny

[Bill Cummings]

“I don’t know what you all are talking about”
by free.

Maybe I’ve got it wrong when I connect the dots but here is what I’m talking about.

I see you as becoming a distraction to me and to the participants on the US Hawks.
Your posts are becoming more contentious and devoid of any real constructive information concerning the sport of hang gliding. I have found some of your posts interesting but many of your posts I think belong along with my off topic posts over at the Free Speech Zone.
I was pleased to see that Rick did not respond to your recent attempt to draw him into yet another off topic discussion.

I would think that would be a hint as to what we all were talking about.

It might not be what we all were talking about but it is what I’m talking about.

So who am I? Bill Cummings pilot # 30448 in the USHPA. I live in Las Cruces, NM. Bob has my phone number and complete knowledge of where I live and how to get a hold of me.

Who is “free?” Who is “Nobody?” Do either have pilot numbers or possibly troll numbers? Hopefully it’s not both.

I think I will change the way I respond to posts. If it should have been posted in the Free Speech Zone I’ll confine myself to responding to it there. If someone copies from the free speech zone and posts a quote by me to the main US Hawks Hang Gliding forum I’ll just ignore that person or sock puppet.

[Bob Kuczewski]

The post by Bob of quotes attributed to Tad’s attacks on websites and people differing with Tads opinions are in surprising abundance.
Bob can ease up now. No need to drop another bunker buster bomb on such a soft surface target. Your research, beyond any reasonable doubt, supports your contention on Tad’s ill will directed at the US Hawks and others for differing with his opinions.

Thanks. I didn't know how many people actually read Tad's site, and that's why I felt compelled to show it.

I believe in lift and tug before launch (when it can be done safely) but that caveat will easily dissolve into a blistering attack by Tad for whomever brings it up.
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What I find confusing for Tads readers is Tad referencing my praise for his good work on his aero towing procedures and then readers finding me grouped with people that are deadly threats to hang gliding and let’s not forget “***holes.”

I once used the analogy of a mad dog who will bite regardless of how nicely he is approached. I suspect it's confusing to you because you don't operate that way yourself.

Maybe I’ve got it wrong when I connect the dots but here is what I’m talking about.

I see you as becoming a distraction to me and to the participants on the US Hawks.
Your posts are becoming more contentious and devoid of any real constructive information concerning the sport of hang gliding. I have found some of your posts interesting but many of your posts I think belong along with my off topic posts over at the Free Speech Zone.
I was pleased to see that Rick did not respond to your recent attempt to draw him into yet another off topic discussion.

I would think that would be a hint as to what we all were talking about.

Excellent observations. Unfortunately, I believe Rick may be reducing or eliminating his participation in the US Hawks based on these kinds of issues. I'm sure Tad is jumping for joy over this, but I am very much saddened to lose such an energetic and experienced member.

I think I will change the way I respond to posts. If it should have been posted in the Free Speech Zone I’ll confine myself to responding to it there. If someone copies from the free speech zone and posts a quote by me to the main US Hawks Hang Gliding forum I’ll just ignore that person or sock puppet.

I am responsible for allowing Free's posts here in the main forum (the Buck Stops Here). I was hoping that providing some leniency for Free would encourage better behavior. Unfortunately, it's only made things worse. I think this problem could be eliminated by establishing our Terms of Service (currently on the agenda for the Trial Board) and then enforcing them fairly for everyone.

Bill, I appreciate your level head on this topic ... and many others. You're a credit to the RGSA. Thank you!!!

[Free]

Bob, without looking up the actual quote, have you ever stated that it is ok to reference anything from Tad?
Am I incorrect in this assumption?
Were there any bad words or threats in those two posts, where Tad is asking you to respond to ongoing safety concerns in the way hang gliding is done? These are safety considerations that you have addressed in the past.
Do you feel that those questions are not worth discussing when it comes to safety and therefore, the future of hang gliding?

Let me know exactly when the rules you have established were changed.

The course you are now embarked will mark the beginning of the end of this little experiment.
Have you noticed the distraction this paranoiac witch hunt has caused in shutting down discussion in another thread about the promotion of hang gliding? If it were possible for you to understand my developing proposal, could give the US Hawks some much needed credibility.
But no. You won't have any of it.
You are the smartest guy here and you want no part in developing any plan that doesn't come from your own slide rule calculator.
Moving a computer scale line by two megapixels does not reverse the laws of physics.
That kind of manipulation is not going to carry the US Hawks over the finish line of your imagination.

The Hawks has no product. There is no there, there.
You are selling pie in the sky and there is no market for it.
I am here to help you and you won't let me.
You don't know what I have to offer the Hawks because you don't listen.
Turn me out for the fake reasons I've seen here and my new motivation will be quite different.
The wisdom of wisdom is that you learn from your mistakes.
A little humility goes a long way too.

Do you really want to make something of the Hawks or is this just a big popularity contest?
Valid hang gliding safety concerns should never be off the table of any organization that professes to be a hang gliding organization.
Wherever they come from.

You can make rules about how these are presented but the first entrenchment or retreat from these issues are when the organization begins to lose relevancy.

Right now you are calling all the shots. Continue the course you are going and the gloves will come off.
You are not the only one allowed that privilege.
You can choose to lose my contribution and have it turned against you.
This is not a threat, it is just nature.
I've been railroaded before and I don't like it.
You know that feeling right? It's what brought us all together.
Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

[Free]

I am responsible for allowing Free's posts here in the main forum (the Buck Stops Here).

Bob, you are responsible for the Sun coming up on this list.
If someone doesn't like that, you can take a vote and deny the Sun ever came up.

If there is a safety concern from anyone under the umbrella of this discussion list, and you don't like it, the simple thing to do is take a vote and make it go away. It is that simple.

Compliance is what you want.
A Fealty Oath to Bob K.

That's what Harry Truman did to Nagasaki.
They didn't comply and he dropped a buck on em.
Forty five years ago, when Harry Truman was still alive and living in his long time house on Truman Road in Independence Missouri, I lived in a trailer park on Truman Road about 2 miles to the east. I drove within 50 ft. of his living room window many, many times.
I didn't know then what I know now. That phenomenon is wisdom from age and a mind that yearns to learn.

Never saw anything but maybe a US Parks Ranger at any time, even though I heard that Harry would occasionally walk the neighborhood.
One morning before daylight, on my way to work, I saw him sitting in a chair by the window, reading by the light of a lamp.
I hesitated at the stop sign a bit before traffic moved me on.
This doesn't mean anything but I want to thank you for returning this memory back to me.
I never saw him again.

Bob K., you are no Harry Truman.
Stop comparing yourself to famous people.
It doesn't get you the respect that you think it does.

[wingspan33]

Free,

First off, Bob is not asking for a feudal allegiance to himself as "Lord of the kingdom", he's talking about having people who participate and are involved in the (growing) US Hawks having a positive and constructive attitude toward the US Hawks - and perhaps SAYING (and/or acknowledging) SO!

On a positive note: Your recent thread topic about Hang Gliding Gypsies grabbed my curiosity. I started flying in 1975 but was trying to fly (with a "bamboo butterfly" of my own design) starting in 1974. So, I know about the basic, simple attraction (and accessibility?) of hang gliding in those days (as compared to today). But I've been waiting for you to get to your point in the Gypsy thread related to your concluding idea/concept.

I'm fairly confident that I know where you are headed, but until you get there I'm not ready to (disrespectfully?) assume your ultimate point/conclusion. I'm also seeing you acting as a "teacher" waiting for the "bright" student(s) to raise their hand and deliver the realized point of the lesson. Thing is, you can make your point straight out. That would save us all a lot of time - and would likely be appreciated.

Beyond all the above, your thread about US solders "guarding" opium poppy fields in the middle east (as well as your other politically oriented threads) is utterly irrelevant to the development of the US Hawks. And it can be seen as a purposeful distraction from the business at hand. I would not doubt that some would describe such topics as (at the very least?) bordering on paranoid delusional. On the other hand, I am relatively confident that the US Gov is ripe with corruption so, . . . . ? ? ? ? . . . skepticism is not uncalled for.

Still, this is a budding Hang Gliding Organization Forum web site! We do not need to debate the meaning of a picture of US solders standing in a (ding dang) poppy field somewhere in Afghanistan. Their seriously damaged/destroyed economy practically makes illegal agricultural (in the US) "drug" production close to mandatory - regardless of our military presences in the area. Hey, the world is screwed up! The US is not always to blame. It's time to re-enter the world of the US Hawks!

End of commentary.

[Free]

your thread about US solders "guarding" opium poppy fields in the middle east (as well as your other politically oriented threads) is utterly irrelevant to the development of the US Hawks. And it can be seen as a purposeful distraction from the business at hand. I would not doubt that some would describe such topics as (at the very least?) bordering on paranoid delusional. On the other hand, I am relatively confident that the US Gov is ripe with corruption so, . . . . ? ? ? ? . . . skepticism is not uncalled for.

Still, this is a budding Hang Gliding Organization Forum web site! We do not need to debate the meaning of a picture of US solders standing in a (ding dang) poppy field somewhere in Afghanistan. Their seriously damaged/destroyed economy practically makes illegal agricultural (in the US) "drug" production close to mandatory - regardless of our military presences in the area. Hey, the world is screwed up! The US is not always to blame. It's time to re-enter the world of the US Hawks! End of commentary.

Soldiers guarding poppies is real. The Taliban had all but eradicated poppies before US soldiers invaded Afghanistan. Now production is back up to world record levels. It's been on the news but ex-Rangers don't know and don't bother to google before they call someone a liar.
Now, thanks to Bob, you are calling me paranoid delusional because you think I'm just making this up.
Were you always so easy to deceive?

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... ng+poppies

[Free]

http://ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=1616&start=30&sid=16ba4d950c85786d8dbcf68b7cdaae36&sid=16ba4d950c85786d8dbcf68b7cdaae36#p10148
Also let me correct you that I was not "angered" by you telling me that the "government/military/industrial complex uses soldiers to protect poppy fields". I just think you're wrong.

But I wasn't wrong.

I also think you're wrong that the US government was behind the 9/11 attacks.

And I've never made that claim. Your imagination runs wild.

I also think you're wrong that the World Trade Center towers fell "faster than gravity".

Also never said that.

In fact, I took the time to do the analysis on that one (http://ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=881&p=3861#p3860), but you ignored it because it didn't fit what you wanted to believe.

I didn't ignore it, I wanted to believe you, Bob.
It just didn't make any sense for you to go to all that trouble just to try and baffle us with so much bullpuckey.
Your analysis, for whatever validity it had, said nothing to change the fact that Building 7 came down at ~near~ the speed of acceleration/gravity.
Who are you trying to fool here? It surely isn't me.

My information comes from here:

http://www1.ae911truth.org/en/evidence/35-key-facts/275-nist-admits-freefall.html
NIST Admits Freefall:
WTC7 in Freefall - No Longer Controversial (9:29 min)
NIST Admits Freefall Part I (10:48 min)
NIST Admits Freefall Part II (5:40 min)
NIST Admits Freefall Part III (10:17 min)

This couldn't have happened, as in physically impossible, (laws of physics) without structural elements being totally removed from the picture, instantaneously and simultaneously. Weird huh?
I've never really speculated openly as to who did it. That was your imagination run wild.
I'll look it up if you wish. I was just talking about known laws of physics and you debunked it with bunk. Why?
Who do you think did it Bob?

None of these things anger me, but they do make me question your ability to think rationally.

You seem to be getting angrier and angrier by the minute. Now you want to kick me out of your club.
Where is this going to end?
I'm really starting to question your rationality.

[Bob Kuczewski]

Warren, I've been directly contacted by two members of this forum who have told me in no uncertain terms that these political topics are killing the US Hawks. They have both suggested deleting this entire topic.

Here's one quote:

My suggestion is to delete that entire thread and EVERYTHING similar. No apologies. No discussion. No record. It's poison. If you are going to popularize the ravings of a psychotic on US Hawks Forum for some kind of silly mind-game obsession / rationalization of "fairness," you will end up with nothing but garbage because people who come to US Hawks to discuss hang gliding will leave. They will run.

What do you think I should do?

What does everyone else think I should do?

[Free]

Warren, I've been directly contacted by two members of this forum who have told me in no uncertain terms that these political topics are killing the US Hawks. They have both suggested deleting this entire topic.

Here's one quote:

My suggestion is to delete that entire thread and EVERYTHING similar. No apologies. No discussion. No record. It's poison. If you are going to popularize the ravings of a psychotic on US Hawks Forum for some kind of silly mind-game obsession / rationalization of "fairness," you will end up with nothing but garbage because people who come to US Hawks to discuss hang gliding will leave. They will run.

What do you think I should do?

What does everyone else think I should do?

Bob, the reason you blew your cork was the discussion of hang gliding.
You can't and won't answer Tad's valid safety concerns and now the sand box is getting too small.
Delete as you wish. I've got it all copied.
It won't be the last you see it.

You can sweep it under the rug but that doesn't make it go away.
If that is your choice you might as well stick a fork in it because you will have lost any credibility you have left.

Do you wish to delete everything else I've written?
Doesn't that go against the grain of a guy that left the crap against Sara up ~for the good of the Hawks~?
Did you take a vote and ask Sara what she thought about that?

Have you ever in your life admitted you were wrong?

It's the ignorance here that is killing the Hawks.
One at a time.
Who was first? Terry or Sara?
Who is next?

It's the blind leading the blind here.
A one eyed man should be King.

My email is freeushga@yahoo.com if anyone wants to contact me.
My time looks short in this place.

PS: This all started with your all knowing opinion on the ''war on drugs' '
Watch this please if you ever want to know the truth.

[Bob Kuczewski]

I went back and read my post from Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:48 pm (found on the first page of this topic):

I don't mind a topic like this with its obvious political overtones (although I think it might be better in the "Free Speech Zone") as long as it doesn't start to take over the forum and drive everyone away.

The following post is sufficient evidence for me that the topic has indeed started to "take over the forum and drive everyone away":

My suggestion is to delete that entire thread and EVERYTHING similar. No apologies. No discussion. No record. It's poison. If you are going to popularize the ravings of a psychotic on US Hawks Forum for some kind of silly mind-game obsession / rationalization of "fairness," you will end up with nothing but garbage because people who come to US Hawks to discuss hang gliding will leave. They will run.

So I have moved this topic to the Free Speech Zone. I've left a "link" in the main forum but I believe that links are not updated so it will slowly sink in the rankings as other topics are updated.

Warren, you're welcome to start political topics here in the "Free Speech Zone" and you're welcome to start genuine hang gliding topics in the main forum. But please don't continue creating these kinds of political topics outside of the Free Speech Zone.

Thanks.