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Anti-Christian Williams

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 11:01 am
by Free
Christian Williams
Re: USHPA looking to hire Mon, Feb 27 2012, 4:45:24 pm
Well, regarding resumes, Jesus was only a carpenter but he managed to kill more people than Napoleon.
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23568&start=20


Perhaps Christian Williams, would be so kind to further explain the inference drawn above.
Perhaps someone that isn't yet banned at the "Oz Report" could advise Christian, that a topic has been started in his honor, in the Free Speech Zone of the US Hawks.

http://ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=982&sid=345177c7e05372d6d47e9bc1af70e8de
Christian, continues:
But true, I don't approve either of people who attend relatively unknown universities.

Really?

Re: Anti-Christian Williams

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:49 pm
by Bob Kuczewski
Whether you believe in God or not, Jesus founded a way of life that encourages service and selflessness. I believe the benefits of Christianity have far outweighed the costs. I like Christian, but I think his comment improperly discounted all the benefits that mankind has gotten from Christianity.

Re: Anti-Christian Williams

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:14 pm
by Free
bobk wrote:Whether you believe in God or not, Jesus founded a way of life that encourages service and selflessness. I believe the benefits of Christianity have far outweighed the costs. I like Christian, but I think his comment improperly discounted all the benefits that mankind has gotten from Christianity.


I'm trying to remember more of my Sunday school lessons.
I can't recall much at all about Jesus killing a lot of people.

Christian seems a little elitist about his education.
I don't approve either of people who attend relatively unknown universities.


Education is indoctrination.
Anti-Christianity has been all the rave in elitist, and even relatively unknown indoctrination centers, for decades.
Davis Straub, is the poster boy (in hang gliding) for the same programming.

Re: Anti-Christian Williams

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 8:44 pm
by Free
On the outskirts of a small town, there was a big, old
pecan tree just inside the cemetery fence. One day,
two boys filled up a bucketful of nuts and sat down by
the tree, out of sight, and began dividing the nuts.

"One for you, one for me. One for you, one for me,"
said one boy. Several dropped and rolled down toward
the fence. Another boy came riding along the road on
his bicycle. As he passed, he thought he heard voices
from inside the cemetery. He slowed down to investigate.
Sure enough, he heard, "One for you, one for me. One for
you, one for me."

He just knew what it was. "Oh my", he shuddered, it's
Satan and the Lord dividing the souls at the cemetery.
He jumped back on his bike and rode off. Just around the
bend he met an old man with a cane, hobbling along. "Come
here quick," said the boy, "you won't believe what I
heard! Satan and the Lord are down at the cemetery
dividing up the souls." The man said, "Beat it kid, can't
you see it's hard for me to walk."

When the boy insisted though, the man hobbled to the
cemetery. Standing by the fence they heard, "One for you,
one for me. One for you, one for me..." The old man
whispered, "Boy, you've been tellin' the truth. Let's
see if we can see the Lord himself." Shaking with fear,
they peered through the fence, yet were still unable to
see anything.

The old man and the boy gripped the wrought iron bars of
the fence tighter and tighter as they tried to get a
glimpse of the Lord. At last they heard, "One for you,
one for me." And one last "One for you, one for me.
That's all. Now let's go get those nuts by the fence,
and we'll be done."

The old man made it back to town a full 5 minutes ahead of the boy on the bike.

Prussian Model Compulsory Indoctrination System

PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 9:07 pm
by Free
School is indoctrination.

http://www.sntp.net/education/school_state_3.htm

In 1910 Ernst Troeltsch pointed out the obvious: "The school organization parallels that of the army, the public school corresponds to the popular army." The German philosopher Johann Fichte was a key contributor to the formation of the German school system. It was Fichte who said that the schools "must fashion the person, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will."
Importantly, American advocates of compulsory state schooling observed the Prussian system, became enamored of it, and adopted it as their model. As former teacher John Taylor Gatto writes:

A small number of very passionate American ideological leaders visited Prussia in the first half of the 19th century; fell in love with the order, obedience, and efficiency of its education system; and campaigned relentlessly thereafter to bring the Prussian vision to these shores. Prussia's ultimate goal was to unify Germany; the Americans' was to mold hordes of immigrant Catholics to a national consensus based on a northern European cultural model. To do that, children would have to be removed from their parents and from inappropriate cultural influences.

Gatto emphasizes how the Prussian model set the standard for educational systems right up to the present. "The whole system was built on the premise that isolation from first-hand information and fragmentation of the abstract information presented by teachers would result in obedient and subordinate graduates, properly respectful of arbitrary orders," he writes.

He says the American educationists imported three major ideas from Prussia. The first was that the purpose of state schooling was not intellectual training but the conditioning of children "to obedience, subordination, and collective life." Thus, memorization outranked thinking. Second, whole ideas were broken into fragmented "subjects" and school days were divided into fixed periods "so that self-motivation to learn would be muted by ceaseless interruptions." Third, the state was posited as the true parent of children. All of this was done in the name of a scientific approach to education, although, Gatto says, "no body of theory exists to accurately define the way children learn, or what learning is of most worth."

To appreciate the nature of the Prussian system, let us look at one of its innovations: kindergarten. In 1840, Friedrich Froebel opened the first kindergarten, in Germany, as a way of socializing children. "As the name implies," Spring writes, "the kindergarten was conceived as a garden of children to be cultivated in the same manner as plants."

Educators in America observed what was happening in Germany and transplanted kindergarten to the New World. In 1873, the first public school kindergarten was opened in the United States, in St. Louis. Its purpose, according to school superintendent William Torrey Harris, was to rescue children from poverty and bad families by bringing them into the school system early in life. "The child who passes his years in the misery of the crowded tenement house or alley becomes early familiar with all manner of corruption and immorality," Harris said. The kindergarten curriculum, writes Spring, included the teaching of moral habits, cleanliness, politeness, obedience, and self-control.

The education historian Marvin Lazerson, in his study of the Boston school system, found that the administrators saw kindergarten as an indirect means of teaching slum parents how to run good homes. That represented a change from an earlier conception of kindergarten with its emphasis on play and expression. In the 20th century, the emphasis switched again, from reforming parents to reforming children and protecting them from their urban surroundings. The use of the school as a buffer between the child and his family and community led to the establishment of playgrounds and parks, and then summer schools all intended to extend the school's influence over the child. The objective was to keep children busy.

As a superintendent of schools in Massachusetts said in 1897, "The value of these [summer] schools consists not so much in what shall be learned during the few weeks they are in session, as in the fact that no boy or girl shall be left with unoccupied time. Idleness is an opportunity for evil-doing." Idleness apparently meant any time spent out of school. Joel Spring comments:

By the early twentieth century the school in fact had expanded its functions into areas not dreamed of in the early part of the previous century. Kindergartens, playgrounds, school showers, nurses, social centers, and Americanization programs turned the school into a central social agency in urban America. The one theme that ran through all these new school programs was the desire to maintain discipline and order in urban life. Within this framework, the school became a major agency for social control.




http://www.deliberatedumbingdown.com/pages/book.htm

Re: Anti-Christian Williams

PostPosted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 5:51 am
by SamKellner
Free wrote:I'm trying to remember more of my Sunday school lessons.
I can't recall much at all about Jesus killing a lot of people.

Christian seems a little elitist about his education.
I don't approve either of people who attend relatively unknown universities.
.



Warren,

Yeah, Jesus killing people :?: Maybe he is referring to the number of christians that were persecuted for their beliefs.
I saw his post moments after reading your post here.

And yeah, like his s**t don't stink?

:wave:

Re: Anti-Christian Williams

PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 2:41 pm
by Free
SamKellner wrote:
Jesus killing people :?: Maybe he is referring to the number of christians that were persecuted for their beliefs.


I'm pretty sure that is not what he meant.
The comment's intent was more a "persecution" of Christianity, than to acknowledge it.

He can come here to clear this up once he knows we're talking about him.

Re: Anti-Christian Williams

PostPosted: Wed Feb 29, 2012 3:54 pm
by Free

Re: Anti-Christian Williams

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 8:17 am
by DarthVader
Christian Williams backstabber, crap talker, no diffrient than jim rooney and Davis, these guy do their battle on the OZ report or on Waco Jacko's Site... They know they have protection there they are not man enough to step into the danger zone :twisted:

Re: Anti-Christian Williams

PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 10:43 am
by Bob Kuczewski
Free wrote:I'm trying to remember more of my Sunday school lessons.
I can't recall much at all about Jesus killing a lot of people.

People who make that kind of claim are basically blaming Christianity (and therefore Jesus) for all of the wars in which Christians were involved (like the Crusades, for example). They generally forget that almost any religion can be used as a basis for war.

By the way, I just watched your agenda 21 video again, and I'm glad you've posted it. The "sustainable growth" people like to carve humanity out from the rest of the eco system and give us the special responsibility to control our own growth. They forget that all species - human and non-human alike - are naturally inclined to overpopulate to the extent that they can do so. So it's part of their beloved Mother Nature's plan that there will always be species who discover new ways to grow and thrive. From a purely objective view, the success of humanity in covering the planet is no different from the success of green plants in doing the same. After all, if they believe in evolution, then they must accept that there was a time when the earth was free of all that nasty ... chlorophyll. So while they claim to be objective in their criticism of humanity, they're really being hypocritical. If they really believe in letting Mother Nature have her way, then they should recognize that humans are part of Mother Nature's system and we have just as much of a right to thrive - and even change the planet - as any other species has throughout history. Now there are other arguments (actually human-centric arguments) for being careful about our growth. But those arguments would balance our human needs with the consequences of growth. Those arguments would have to include our own human needs (and desires) for things like: freedom, and property, and personal security, and personal risk, and even ... fun. :)

Thanks Warren!!