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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Fri Mar 15, 2019 12:23 pm

Michael Giles November 5th, 2013 ...



Some have been critical of my comment in this exchange about whether the site would be open the following day (on our Torrey Hawks Second Sunday):

JoeF wrote:Might the commercial concessionaire close because of the incident today? :?: :?: :?:

Bob wrote:Unlikely. They will practically step over the bodies to keep their tandem cash register ringing. I'll bet they're flying tomorrow.


They were flying the next day (and even that same day) as I predicted.

Michael's 2013 testimony puts that complaint to rest.
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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby wingspan33 » Fri Mar 15, 2019 1:25 pm

Those were both great videos Ernie and Bob! Very powerful! And putting up Mike's older video about safety issues at Torrey Pines also helps make the point - as does Bryan's and many of Bob's past statements as made to the San Diego City council.

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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat Mar 16, 2019 12:59 am

wingspan33 wrote:Very powerful! And putting up Mike's older video about safety issues at Torrey Pines also helps make the point - as does Bryan's and many of Bob's past statements as made to the San Diego City council.

Thanks. We have almost 9 years of video on this site. It's just a matter of finding the best among them. Mike Giles and Bryan Yute are just the tip of the iceberg. If anyone finds any that are particularly appropriate, please post them to this topic.
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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat Mar 16, 2019 2:51 pm

From February 16th, 2010:



If only the City Council had listened to 9 years of requests for oversight.
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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby JoeF » Sat Mar 16, 2019 3:57 pm

Found a quote from Fr. James Heft, S.M.:
Fr. James Heft wrote:"Is it possible for a person to possess any virtue if he or she does not also
possess the virtue of courage? Think of any virtue and ask yourself if it can
really be a virtue if the person who has it lacks courage. If a person thinks
she is generous, but lacks courage, does not that mean that she will give only
when it does not hurt, when it does not cost her much personally?
If a person thinks he is compassionate, but expresses compassion only when such an
act would be well seen by others, does that person really possess the virtue
of compassion? If people pride themselves on their honesty but do not speak
out when it results in disapproval by influential persons and leads to a loss
of their livelihood, can they in fact be thought to have the virtue of honesty?"


I thought that paragraph fit a bit with the record of Bob Kuczewski.
I've noticed courage in his ways.
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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat Mar 16, 2019 5:31 pm

JoeF wrote:Source document

Excellent document Joe. The link between courage and justice is very strong:

Pieper ... reminds us that the four cardinal virtues are always listed traditionally in the same order: prudence, justice, fortitude, and temperance. In that sequence, fortitude, or courage, appears third. Prudence and justice precede it. Why? Because prudence helps a person know what it is good to do. Prudence has nothing to do with prudery or an inability to enter into the messy order of reality or to take risks. Thomas himself explains: “In overcoming danger, fortitude seeks not danger itself, but the realization of rational good” (Pieper, 1966, p. 122). Courage does not stand by itself; in fact, courage is secondary, and points to something that must precede it. Most of us would not naturally link prudence and courage. Prudent people, we might suppose, do not take risks. For Thomas, however, prudence is a quality of judgment that permits a person to discern what is good.
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... we need to consider the meaning of the second cardinal virtue, justice. Again, according to Thomas, it is the “function of justice to carry out the order of reason [that is, what prudence discerns] in all human affairs” (Pieper, 1966, p. 125). In other words, courage, to be authentic, requires a “just cause.” Augustine says that it is “not the injury, but the cause that makes martyrs” (Pieper, 1966, p. 125). Thomas says that a person “does not expose his [or her] life to mortal danger, except to maintain justice. Therefore, the praise of courage depends upon justice” (Pieper, 1966, p. 125). And finally, St. Ambrose writes, “courage without justice is a lever of evil” (Pieper, 1966, p. 125).
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In sum, it is clear that courage cannot stand alone; it needs to be informed by a sense of the good and compelled by a sense of justice. We have also seen that the opposite of courage, cowardice, can actually be understood as one of the capital—that is, root—sins, namely sloth.

It is my firm belief that we - members of the U.S. Hawks - are here primarily because we value justice and have the courage to stand up for it.

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Re: Two Dead at Torrey - Paragliding Collision (March 9, 201

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed Mar 20, 2019 5:38 am

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"Our safety record is impeccable and we average less than 1 accident per 10 years or 100,000 flights."

Liars.
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