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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Rick Masters » Fri Jan 27, 2017 11:21 am

The viability of dangerous sports group insurance really depends on the sports group standing as a single entity against outside forces that would tear it apart.
But when the participants of the sports group begin tearing at each other, this viability is threatened.
Mixing paragliding with hang gliding in the world's free flight associations has created a problem.
They don't like to talk about this, but the press occasionally picks up these incidents.
The latest example is a problem that keeps repeating itself as hang glider pilots try to hang on to their historic flying sites in the face of massive paragliding intrusion.
On the 24th of January, 2017, the German press reported that a hang glider pilot from Cologne has sued a paraglider pilot from Bonn for seven thousand Euros for making a turn in front of him. He could not avoid the collision and fell onto Mt. Grappa in 2014. Both are members of DHV.
http://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/rheinland/drachenflieger-verklagt-gleitsegler-100.html
Note that the German lawsuit took 2.5 to 3 years to put together.
In the USA it takes much longer.
All of this will catch up with the organizations after a while.
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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby eagle » Sun Jan 29, 2017 9:39 am

MORE LIKE INSURANCE FRAUD TO START
Out of every Hang glider crash I've ever had ,...
Not One bill has been coverd by Gliderport or the USHPA related insurance.
They Even put my life in further danger at the time of the Crash.

I've never tried to deal with our so called Club insurance, due to immediate medical needs, and its known corruption

There has not been one single report I've seen to be true as fact.... Ever produced
Few bad landings on a Paraglider have been All walk aways (By the luck of the Gods)

Fact ,.... I'm short close to $8,000 plus on my next oral Surgery coming around march, pending approvals to come,... after all my private insurance....
over 5yrs ago, broken pelvis ,... cracked helmet , damaged memory and cracked all my teeth that were weak to start.
Even more life baring complications with my Heart , over the top expenses, thank god I had some kind of further insurance
Amazing I'm still able to fly .... A Miracle

Note : Damaged Memory doesn't give the KABOL the right to invent stuff
............................... or be indirectly, directly threaten for posting My truths on this website


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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby eagle » Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:41 pm

Seems to be a touchy subject lately and I couldn't bloody resist.
See video ; https://youtu.be/i5i-p1miRNw

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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Rick Masters » Tue Feb 07, 2017 1:11 pm

Looks like one of the local yolkels.
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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby eagle » Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:04 pm

Let be realistic, .... its completely pathetically corrupted
Any informed outsider looking at the disaster of the the current management would be shocked that its been going on for so long
By informed is to know both or all sides of the complex issue involved and all the facts , not necessarily what is portrayed by the parties involved...

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Researchers found Egg in bushes below Torrey Pines Gliderport
Wobblers are often seen in the bushes, feeding on worms and doing a mating dance.
The newly discovered Egg was taken to the SD Zoo for hatching,...
...., Doctors are now examining the New, Obama Looking Para Chick

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TORREY PINE GLIDERPORT & THE CITY OF SAN DIEGO
In Keeping the Paragliding business under the same In-house control,... As history repeats...
The Para Chick will be groomed by the SD City Council as the New Hybrid USHPA Flight Director/Dictator

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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby eagle » Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:31 pm

This Re-Post is even better

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Oh, Not again, Are You alright


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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Rick Masters » Wed Mar 08, 2017 6:21 am

    Too bad this soaring parachutist, who was simply sporting on public land, probably doesn't know about his right to fly under the FARs or his exemption from persecution and prosecution in Colorado. He won't be learning this from the USHPA. Perhaps he should try the US Hawks.
    If the Storm Peak Hang Gliding Association does not protest, this will be another example of a USHPA chapter wielding influence incorrectly and coercing government entities to erroneously restrict flying from public lands.
    Steamboat actually leases a complete mountain range - Mount Werner, Sunshine Peak, Storm Peak, Thunderhead Peak, Pioneer Ridge, and Christie Peak - from the US Forest Service for purposes of skiing. The resort's infrastructure is leased from the US Forest Service but the mountains are owned by the public and the public is not restricted when on foot.
    Placing this mountain range under a USHPA dues monopoly is more dangerous to the future of our sport than any criticism I might level at the dangers of flying parachutes. All hang glider pilots and soaring parachutists should realize that our fundamental freedom to fly is more important than any perceived transgression against some group. Freeflight is not about creating a dues monopoly for privileged groups - and the purpose of government is not about protecting monopolies.
    This is about a citizen's right to pursue his sport of choice. Despite what could be perceived as good intentions of the US Forest Service, the soaring parachutist can neither be fined nor forced to join any group. The Preamble to Part 103 (Published in 47 FR 38770, September 2,1982) states: "The USHGA's self-regulation program lacks the legal authority to enforce requirements to ensure the safety of others. There is no requirement for any hang glider operator to be a member of the USHGA."
http://www.fly-ul.com/preamble.html
    I term this type of monopolistic behaviour on our public lands as "Torrey Creep" and recognize Bob Kuczewski, head of the US Hawks, as the leading voice in opposition to it.

Man who crashed paraglider at Steamboat Ski Area will be ticketed
http://www.steamboattoday.com/news/2017/mar/07/man-who-crashed-paraglider-steamboat-ski-area-will/

Forest Service mountain sports ranger Erica Dickerman said it is not illegal to paraglide from the ski area as long as you are a member of the local Storm Peak Hang Gliding Association. The man is not a member. The association has insurance and holds a permit from the Forest Service. Members can use ski area roads during the winter and the launch sites year round. Dickerman said the man is being encouraged to join the association so he can get some mentoring and training.
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Comment to
Erica Dickerman
Hahns Peak/Bears Ears Ranger District
925 Weiss Drive , Steamboat Springs, CO, 80487-9315
edickerman@fs.fed.us
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FYI: Colorado Recreational Use Statute
The Colorado legislature has enacted a “Recreational Use Statute” to encourage owners and managers to allow public access for recreation use on their lands.
Landowners can be any of the following – owner, tenant, lessee, occupant, or person in control of the premises.
The Statute defends both private and public land managers. - US National Park Service
https://www.nps.gov/ncrc/programs/rtca/helpfultools/recusebrochures/coloradorecliabbrochure.pdf
"Recreational purpose" includes, but is not limited to, any sports or other recreational activity of whatever nature undertaken by a person while using the land, including ponds, lakes, reservoirs, streams, paths, and trails appurtenant thereto, of another and includes, but is not limited to, any hobby, diversion, or other sports or other recreational activity such as: Hunting, fishing, camping, picnicking, hiking, horseback riding, snowshoeing, cross country skiing, bicycling, riding or driving motorized recreational vehicles, swimming, tubing, diving, spelunking, sight-seeing, exploring, hang gliding, rock climbing, kite flying, roller skating, bird watching, gold panning, target shooting, ice skating, ice fishing, photography, or engaging in any other form of sports or other recreational activity.
https://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/recreate/co_rec.htm

Provide an alternative voice to the USHPA.
Form a national hang gliding association.
Join the US Hawks.
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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed Mar 08, 2017 9:58 am

Excellent post.

USHPA's expulsion of members simply because they are not aligned with the fuzzy and undocumented purposes and interests of their corporation makes them ineligible as a prerequisite to use public land. The government might as well be saying that KKK membership is required to use public land.

This is a good find Rick. Thanks.
Join a National Hang Gliding Organization: US Hawks at ushawks.org
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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Rick Masters » Wed Mar 08, 2017 10:17 am

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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby JoeF » Wed Mar 08, 2017 1:21 pm

Thanks, Rick; good work!
I put your found file:
http://www.energykitesystems.net/FAA/Ruling1982HGandUL.html
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