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Re: Los Angeles, California

Postby eagle » Mon May 15, 2017 3:18 pm

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Established as a free to fly public park ~ by a VOLUNTARY Club donation fund
~ Not by the Now Mandatory Gliderport Site fee,... held into private corrupted funds ~

OUR PARKS ARE RUN BY WHO'S REQUIREMENTS

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Public Park & Gliderport

“No San Diego resident or guest , should ever be forced to Join or be part of a Club or association or pay site dues or fees just to use a free public park to recreate.”

Likewise, in Addition:
"No resident or guest, should be MONITORED, forced to sign waivers, and buy insurance from any said private organisation or club."

Furthermore:
"Recreational Hang Gliding is already included and coverd under basic California recreational Laws."
"There is no reason the public should be Paying Private fund or private party liabilities, instruction and schools."

Statement:
" My American Rights are not negotiable, My freedom is not for sale or lease. I am Not to be exploited.

LEGAL Fact:
The City and or the Private Parties becomes Liable upon collection of moneys

NEW LAWS
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NEW LAWs should be written protecting the public's interest and rights
Preventing private business enterprise from taking over & charging us to use our Public Park's
Any money's collected by the city needs to go to public ballot if approved be monitored for use and corruption

A) Nobody or group in City Office should have the power to charge the public for what is Freely Ours in the 1st place

B) These Decisions need to be brought forth to the public ballet ,...

C) If money is to be collected, Money needs to be delegated for the Public's interest,... not Private Pocket

D) Leaseholder should be held accountable for funds collected and to be monitored for corruption, with permanent oversight

E) Pilot site fee's belong to the Pilots , we need a voice as to where the money is spent and how OUR PARK IS RUN

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD VOTE ~
~ Pay to Use our parks, not a chance ~
Where are the City Representative's that actually represent the public, Not corrupted private enterprise

~ We need new Laws, We need a Change ~
For the shame & disgrace of Our City Representatives & the Leaders our of sport
And for what has happened to our our sport of Freeflight ~

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Re: Los Angeles, California

Postby Frank Colver » Mon May 15, 2017 8:56 pm

It was the great Ronald Reagan who started pushing for "user fees" for public land recreation. Now, for me to go day hiking in a National Forest, I have to buy an "Adventure Pass". :( Even to park beside the highway, in a National Forest, the "Adventure Pass" must be displayed in the vehicle.

The whole thing started when taxpayers started complaining about paying for upkeep of public places that they, personally, would never use for recreation. The public outcry was: "make the people who use it pay for it's care, not me". The result: "user fees" for public land recreation. It has become pretty common now all over the country.

In many cases the user fee just covers the cost of the additional person(s) hired to collect the fee. In those cases the original costs are still covered by the general public's taxes. So what's the point? I guess more employment.

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Re: Los Angeles, California

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon May 15, 2017 11:08 pm

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!! WOW !!


I"ve been too busy to really read your last two messages until tonight. Your list of points is excellent - really excellent!!

You've really covered all the bases.

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Re: Los Angeles, California

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon May 15, 2017 11:25 pm

Frank Colver wrote:It was the great Ronald Reagan who started pushing for "user fees" for public land recreation.

I'm not a fan of user fees, but it's not so bad when the money goes to the government ... because the government is ultimately ... us.

What makes the Torrey situation so disgusting is a private party being given public land to use AGAINST the public's interest.

There is some very deep form of corruption in some parts of the San Diego city government related to the Torrey Pines Gliderport.
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Re: Los Angeles, California

Postby dhmartens » Wed May 24, 2017 10:44 pm

§63.20.13 Rules to be Followed; Posting
It is unlawful for any person, firm or corporation within the limits of any beach areas of The
City of San Diego to do any act or acts contrary to the rules established by the Director for
the use of the beach area, provided, however, that the rules shall be conspicuously posted in
the beach area.
(Amended 5–31–1994 by O–18073 N.S.)

taken from:
http://docs.sandiego.gov/municode/MuniC ... sion00.pdf

by the way California uses the coastal commission to monitor everything that effects the beach and California's 45 billion dollar tourism industry.
Even windsports at dockweilier. I wonder if they know of the hateful mgt at Torrey.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-m ... story.html
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San Diego & Los Angeles, California

Postby eagle » Thu May 25, 2017 10:21 am

EXTORTION BY PUBLIC OFFICE & LEASEHOLDER

Elements of Extortion
Virtually all extortion statutes require that a threat must be made to the person or property of the victim. Threats to harm the victim's friends or relatives may also be included. It is not necessary for a threat to involve physical injury.

It may be sufficient to threaten, to accuse another, of a crime or to expose a secret that would result in public embarrassment or ridicule.
The threat does not have to relate to an unlawful act. Extortion may be carried out by a threat to tell the victim's friends or spouse harmful information.

Other types of threats sufficient to constitute extortion include those

~ to harm the victim's business any threat to harm another person in his or her career or reputation is extortion.

~ to take money to which one is not lawfully entitled does exist at the time of threat

~ the threat to falsely testify and arrest the victim.

~ the threat to flight licensing suspension.

~ the threat of negligent safety operation.

~ the threat of employees under the influence of drugs, on site drug sale's, police entrapment.

Any unauthorized taking of money by an officer constitutes extortion. Under these statutes, a person may be held strictly liable for the act, and an intent need not be proven to establish the crime.

HEY Mr. Mayor, The I don't know ROUTINE doesn't work anymore
Any threat accompanied by the intent to acquire the recreational parties monies sufficient to establish the crime;

The I didn't know excuse that someone believes they are entitled to the money, knowingly enters a illegal contract with a city and is acting as Leaseholder at a Public Park; is guilty of extortion.

Extortion by officials is treated similarly, the crime occurs when there is a meeting of the minds between the Mayor/City council Assets contracting and the Leaseholder party.

Hey Mr. Mayor did ya know
~ The Devil wear's a Para Panties ~

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