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Re: Los Angeles, California

Postby eagle » Mon May 15, 2017 3:18 pm

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Established as a free to fly public park ~ by a VOLUNTARY Club donation fund
~ Not by the Now Mandatory Gliderport Site fee,... held into private corrupted funds ~

OUR PARKS ARE RUN BY WHO'S REQUIREMENTS

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Public Park & Gliderport

“No San Diego resident or guest , should ever be forced to Join or be part of a Club or association or pay site dues or fees just to use a free public park to recreate.”

Likewise, in Addition:
"No resident or guest, should be MONITORED, forced to sign waivers, and buy insurance from any said private organisation or club."

Furthermore:
"Recreational Hang Gliding is already included and coverd under basic California recreational Laws."
"There is no reason the public should be Paying Private fund or private party liabilities, instruction and schools."

Statement:
" My American Rights are not negotiable, My freedom is not for sale or lease. I am Not to be exploited.

LEGAL Fact:
The City and or the Private Parties becomes Liable upon collection of moneys

NEW LAWS
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NEW LAWs should be written protecting the public's interest and rights
Preventing private business enterprise from taking over & charging us to use our Public Park's
Any money's collected by the city needs to go to public ballot if approved be monitored for use and corruption

A) Nobody or group in City Office should have the power to charge the public for what is Freely Ours in the 1st place

B) These Decisions need to be brought forth to the public ballet ,...

C) If money is to be collected, Money needs to be delegated for the Public's interest,... not Private Pocket

D) Leaseholder should be held accountable for funds collected and to be monitored for corruption, with permanent oversight

E) Pilot site fee's belong to the Pilots , we need a voice as to where the money is spent and how OUR PARK IS RUN

WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD VOTE ~
~ Pay to Use our parks, not a chance ~
Where are the City Representative's that actually represent the public, Not corrupted private enterprise

~ We need new Laws, We need a Change ~
For the shame & disgrace of Our City Representatives & the Leaders our of sport
And for what has happened to our our sport of Freeflight ~

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Re: Los Angeles, California

Postby Frank Colver » Mon May 15, 2017 8:56 pm

It was the great Ronald Reagan who started pushing for "user fees" for public land recreation. Now, for me to go day hiking in a National Forest, I have to buy an "Adventure Pass". :( Even to park beside the highway, in a National Forest, the "Adventure Pass" must be displayed in the vehicle.

The whole thing started when taxpayers started complaining about paying for upkeep of public places that they, personally, would never use for recreation. The public outcry was: "make the people who use it pay for it's care, not me". The result: "user fees" for public land recreation. It has become pretty common now all over the country.

In many cases the user fee just covers the cost of the additional person(s) hired to collect the fee. In those cases the original costs are still covered by the general public's taxes. So what's the point? I guess more employment.

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Re: Los Angeles, California

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon May 15, 2017 11:08 pm

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!! WOW !!


I"ve been too busy to really read your last two messages until tonight. Your list of points is excellent - really excellent!!

You've really covered all the bases.

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Re: Los Angeles, California

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon May 15, 2017 11:25 pm

Frank Colver wrote:It was the great Ronald Reagan who started pushing for "user fees" for public land recreation.

I'm not a fan of user fees, but it's not so bad when the money goes to the government ... because the government is ultimately ... us.

What makes the Torrey situation so disgusting is a private party being given public land to use AGAINST the public's interest.

There is some very deep form of corruption in some parts of the San Diego city government related to the Torrey Pines Gliderport.
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