Bob Kuczewski wrote:Free wrote:If you are playing 3D chess or something that isn't making any sense to us and you have a bigger vision than what we can see, please give us a hint at what we are missing.
Here's your hint:
'All it takes for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing."Look at either USHPA or Oz or hanggliding.org for all the proof you could ever need.
You are saying that Frank did nothing and that is not true. Looking for proof at USHPA or OZ or hgorg doesn't change that untruth.
Free wrote:Your actions are self destructive to your original mission and now they are destructive to the advancement of USHGRS.
My original mission started decades before USHGRS and even decades before the U.S. Hawks. My original (and ongoing) mission is to do my small part in a big world to advance the cause of justice for as many people as I can. My efforts in hang gliding are just a glimpse into that life-long mission. I'm not perfect at it, but I'm trying.
USHGRS eliminates the need for a doppelganger of USHPA. USHGRS supersedes a need for a competing hang gliding organization. Justice can be had much simpler by using USHGRS and Part 103 for access to flying sites than a doppelganger USHPA.
Hawks, as flying clubs instead of doppelgangers, can work for access to flying sites through USHGRS and 103.
Unyoke yourself of doppelganging an increasingly irrelevant authority. Embrace and support USHGRS and work in conjunction with respected people like Frank Colver, who has a history of access effort to public land. (instead of pushing him away}
Free wrote:In the short timeline of this kerfuffle, I have personally sidelined ideas to advance or assist USHGRS as you crash the cause and momentum.
Stop doing that. Do what you can for USHGRS (and the US Hawks?) every day!
I can't make myself stop losing sleep over things that should not be happening. I've had serious sleep disorders enough in the past that interfere in productivity enough. I'm a walking example of lots of unfinished business, partially because of that.
What I was thinking a few days ago, parallel to your latest barrage against Frank, was club support of USHGRS through an award grant. Personally, at this point, I don't know another way to assist that effort other than helping financially. It could be done through the Hawks as a club, if the Hawks wanted to begin some philanthropic vein to advance free flight efforts. Perhaps a Lillienthal Award? Gosh, after that, maybe a few bucks toward Frank's generous labor of designing a better trainer.
I see those two as being more alike in their contributions to hang gliding than split apart by tortured logic and demands.
Free wrote:I'm asking now, as a club and as a member, for you to change course of tactics in attacking your best members. A regrouping is needed and it needs to happen now. Frank was never your enemy until you made clear that he was going to be your enemy.
I don't consider Frank to be my enemy today. I don't consider Red to be my enemy today. I don't consider Rick to be my enemy today.
You have a poor way of demonstrating that.
Free wrote:I hope it is not too late to reverse course.
Me too. But that's really up to Frank and Rick and Red.
I think the course that needs to be reversed is yours.
I will not muzzle anyone on this site (including myself) just because someone else is offended by what they're saying. The response to any opinion should be a better opinion ... and NOT silencing or banning (or running away).
I may appreciate this about you more than anyone!
Read Frank's reply again (from your quote) and notice the very sharp personal attacks.
Frank Colver wrote:... your secret agenda ...
... your personal fights ...
... You don't care about USHGRS. Joe Faust, or anything else ...
... You were sabotaging my efforts to get Jack to accept Joe ...
... I realized that you didn't want me to succeed ...
... Joe is caught up in your personal vendettas ...
... this "all for Bob Kuczewski" web forum ...
... your personal vendettas ...
... your personal battleground ...
... It's all about you ...
... Please Bob seek professional help for your condition ...
... I wish you hadn't destroyed our friendship.
It doesn't take a PhD in psychology to see that Frank is haunted that he hasn't stood up for Joe. And like most people who are mad at themselves, Frank finds it much easier to make excuses and redirect his anger away from himself and toward someone else. The same is true of Red.
Do you have a PhD in psychology? Did I dream that in a fitful night of sleep deprived torture or did you state that previously?
What about neuro-linguistics and psychology at the Saulk Institute? Where did I ever get that idea? Memory is victim to sleep disorders.
I don't think Frank is particularly haunted about not standing up for Joe, just because he would not submit to orders to fall on a Jack Axaopolous land mine.
Look, I'm human, and I know exactly how they feel. I know when I see myself doing something stupid or embarrassing, there's an instinctive part of me that wants to blame someone else. I haven't been in everyone's shoes, but I suspect that's what everyone feels when they do something stupid or embarrassing. It's probably a genetic survival trick to escape blame for our genetic failings.
So yes, it's natural to hate being criticized. Yes, it's natural to want to blame someone else. Yes, it's natural to want to flee or hide when we're wrong. And in the heat of the moment (before we can cool down and think), we might do any - or all - of those things (hate, blame, flee, hide). But what separates thoughtful men from emotional fools is what they do
after they cool down. We're reaching that point, and I remain open to the possibility that any of those who've left us might come back with a speech like this:
I've given this some thought, and here's what I think.
1. Bob was a jerk for starting his wall of shame.
2. Lots of people rightfully called Bob a jerk for his wall of shame.
3. Amazingly, Bob didn't ban anyone for calling Bob a jerk.
4. Amazingly, Bob didn't mutilate anyone's posts for calling Bob a jerk.
5. I want to belong to a forum where I can speak my mind to anyone.
6. Bob is still a jerk for starting his wall of shame.
7. But I'm still a U.S. Hawk ... in spite of him!
That's a speech I can disagree with to some extent and respect at the same time.
Well Bob might be acting like a jerk but I didn't see anyone leave for your starting a 'wall of shame'.
A 'wall of shame' idea was a soft way of making a 'sticky' notice that Jack Axaopolous is a cowardly asshat that needs to be disparaged by all that see that notice.
I don't know what Rick's deal was because he didn't explain it very well. He wasn't badgered by you and he wasn't put on the list like you seem to have done to Frank, Red and Michael. I'm not even sure that you have done that to them because I have seen no "Official Wall of Shame". So if there is one, it really isn't as effective as a 'sticky' notice on the front page.
The WoS isn't the same as the psyop badgering of Frank, Red and Mike. Stop conflating the two different things.
The WoS was fine, it probably just didn't go far enough.
The WoS should not have been made ineffective/diluted by putting people on it that don't belong on it.
The Wos needs to be a sticky on top if you want it to be effective.
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The MoHawk club has $300 (at this time) toward some kind of an award for USHGRS. Let's go down that trail instead of the one that brought us here.
Back out of that rabbit hole and move forward on something positive for hang gliding.
I want to contribute to Frank's efforts too. The first thing is to extract him from the bad juju heaped on him here and free him up to finish his project.
That's got to come from you, Bob.
Posted: Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:07 pm
