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BHPA or BPHA

Postby ARP » Wed Apr 10, 2019 1:12 pm

The winds of change or just the rot setting in on the UK scene?

Oooh! A contentious proposal at the BHPA AGM, (see April Skywings, page 6):

NEW LOGO VOTED DOWN

At the BHPA AGM in March, a proposal from the floor that the Association adopt a new corporate identity more in keeping with its make-up was defeated by a narrow margin. A number of paraglider pilots, unhappy with the precedence of ‘hang gliding’ before ‘paragliding’ in the BHPA’s name, proposed that the Association be renamed the British Paragliding and Hang Gliding Association. A graphic designer among their number had come up with a new Association logo to reflect the change.
Following a highly-charged discussion, at which the originating members protested that, as hang gliding was substantially outnumbered by paragliding among the BHPA’s 7,500-odd members it was now time to re-orient the Association towards its core discipline. Amid sustained acrimony
from both sides, during which one member even claimed that the logo belonged to a Bedfordshire housing association, a vote was taken and the proposal to change the BHPA’s name and logo was defeated. Despite their evident design expertise, supporters of the ‘BPHA’ will have to bow to the democratic principle and lick their wounds … for now.
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Re: BHPA or BPHA

Postby wingspan33 » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:42 pm

I'm glad no change was made. Don't these collapsible canopy people realize that hang gliding created their organization? I might still be a member of the USHGA if it hadn't given collapsible canopy occupants a place at OUR table. The Brits could also have gone a different way. There's a concept called Respecting Your Elders. In this case the sport of hang gliding is the elder.
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Re: BHPA or BPHA

Postby SamKellner » Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:16 pm

Thanks for keeping us aware Tony. :salute:

What Wingspan said !
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Re: BHPA or BPHA

Postby ARP » Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:41 am

Technically I believe paragliders are classed by the FAI as a subset of the hang glider definition. Any contemplated name change should consider a wider catchment name such as foot launched gliders. However this homoganised term might not appeal to hang glider pilots or paraglider pilots that seemed to have polarised diametrically opposite.

Interestingly the BHPA now includes wheeled aircraft with power units and human powered aircraft under its umbrella.
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Re: BHPA or BPHA

Postby wingspan33 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:50 am

ARP wrote: . . . Interestingly the BHPA now includes wheeled aircraft with power units and human powered aircraft under its umbrella.


That last bit is interesting. The USHGA tried to include powered ultralights back in the mid 80's but there was enough membership dissatisfaction with it that the USHGA ended the "program". I'd have to say that I don't think I'd have a problem with human powered aircraft. They would be quiet and there can't be that many of them. Plus none of them would be human powered PGs! lol :thumbup:
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Re: BHPA or BPHA

Postby ARP » Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:50 pm

Human powered aircraft could take any form so a human powered paraglider might be a possibility? Light weight with a large wing area, flying very slowly seems to fit in with the requirements for an HPA.
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Re: BHPA or BPHA

Postby wingspan33 » Fri Apr 12, 2019 9:36 pm

ARP, I could see a human powered PG first launching from a hill and then begin to pedal his/her propeller. I think that might help extend their glide. But every human powered aircraft I've heard of is (yes) light weight, but also has a VERY good LD/glide ratio. Probably in the range of 20-30 to 1 (or higher). PGs can't come anywhere near that.

In fact, your typical high performance "delta wing" hang glider can't even cop the necessary glide ratio. But I've seen a video that shows that the Gossamer-Albatross was not the end of human powered flight efforts. There are regular people building working human powered aircraft. I think there are even competitions (for prizes?) going on. None of the wings are PG like.
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Re: BHPA or BPHA

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat Apr 13, 2019 12:27 am

What do you get when you combine a big organization with a little organization?

You get the big organization. The little one disappears.
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Re: BHPA or BPHA

Postby ARP » Sat Apr 13, 2019 2:27 am

wingspan33 wrote:ARP, I could see a human powered PG first launching from a hill and then begin to pedal his/her propeller. I think that might help extend their glide. But every human powered aircraft I've heard of is (yes) light weight, but also has a VERY good LD/glide ratio. Probably in the range of 20-30 to 1 (or higher). PGs can't come anywhere near that.

In fact, your typical high performance "delta wing" hang glider can't even cop the necessary glide ratio. But I've seen a video that shows that the Gossamer-Albatross was not the end of human powered flight efforts. There are regular people building working human powered aircraft. I think there are even competitions (for prizes?) going on. None of the wings are PG like.



I am well versed in HPA operations as I'm the chief marshal for the British Human Powered Flying Club which runs the Icarus Cup HPA competition each year. There are many different ways to build an HPA including inflated structures of gigantic proportions:- https://www.aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs ... hoenix.pdf

At very low speeds the drag factor is so much less and a PG type structure can be extremely light compared to 'conventional' HPA structures. PGs have improved their L/D to around 11/1 which is not that far behind some delta wing hang gliders. With some ingenuity I think the possibilty of a paraglider type structure working on an HPA is on the cards. see:- https://bhpfc.org.uk/
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Re: BHPA or BPHA

Postby ARP » Sat Apr 13, 2019 3:54 pm

As the opening post was about an article from the April issue of Skywings the suggestion is it was an April fools joke. If so it was a bit weak at it refers to the event happening in March and the magazine doesn't land on the door step until long after April 1st. So it might or might not be a joke but a touchy subject for some........
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