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 Post subject: Re: Jim Hobson
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 1:22 pm 
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As yet, the hunt for the particular frames of art of comics of Smilin' Jack that might have influenced Jim Hobson's early hang glider project.
I am learning; it seems Smilin' Jack was showing up in comic books, comic strips, screen plays, and perhaps more. But the tip I have regarding Jim is "cartoon" or "comic strip" ... but I do not have this matter clear; the adventure on this is open. The date would be in 1961 or earlier of Smilin' Jack, as there seems to be a January date of 1962 that has been found regarding Jim's hang glider doings. Primary evidence might be in the scrapbook or in something like a letter than might show up some day.

Here is a start for a search:
http://tinyurl.com/SomeSmilinJackIMAGES
And the extensive realm seems awesome: see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smilin'_Jack
And: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Advent ... in%27_Jack
http://www.smilinjackart.com/
I just emailed curator Jill Mosley, Zack's daughter, with the question; maybe Jill will have suggestions.
About the artist-pilot Zack Mosley: http://www.smilinjackart.com/about.htm
Informative: http://dangertrail.blogspot.com/2007/05 ... -jack.html

Post candidates. And then maybe we we see Jim's scrapbook, there might be a clue. I just do not know yet which one or several episodes of Smilin' Jack might have inspired Jim to go ahead with his hang glider build.

So, I will show some of Smilin' Jack ONLY AS A SUPPORT FOR this hunt sub-project:
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Another example, but date is not known for this either: Anyone? Control frame? War-prison escape by HG?
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 Post subject: Re: Jim Hobson
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 5:12 pm 
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Still we do not know which Smilin' Jack drawings Jim saw. Meanwhile we search and discover:
Here is a poor resolution of a drawing. We seek better resolution for it. Anyone?
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In a post above with the rouded A-frame bamboo control bar, I found this notation about that cover that has "No. 14" on it:
Series II Issue 14 . That notation should lead someone to date the image's publication.

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 Post subject: Re: Jim Hobson
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:00 pm 
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Some clues on dating the bamboo hang glider art with the control frame seems to be told on an piece that Jill is apparently selling...the original:
The written statement on that art:
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"From a 1938 and 1939 episode featuring Smilin' Jack, alias POWDER, a spy and a prisoner in Devils Kitchen on Death Rock. Also we see the famous makeshift glider escape ..."

Quote:
"Hot Rock Glide"
Episode where Jack escapes from Death Rock by building a Bamboo Glider. $35.00
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Conclusion on dating the images of the bamboo hang glider: The images were at least available in the "1938 and 1939" period; because of syndication, the images may have been reproduced in many newspapers and books; facts on the radiant copies are not known to me. But this time period is then definitely before 1962. And this might have been one hang glider that Jim may have seen; his research papers lent to me had indication of a studying of early 1900s hang glider material. We still do not exhaust Smilin' Jack yet as to hang gliders. Anyone?

The old issues of comic books are collector items that sell for big dollar amounts. However, since a large amount of the art of Smilin' Jack showed in books and newspapers, one is teased to find Smilin' Jack hang gliders showing in more places than the comic books. The tease in the "HOT ROCK GLIDE" art piece is the use of the word "famous" for the makeshift glider escape. What is behind the use of the word "famous" in that; and what might that fame done to public consciousness of hang gliders?

For research: On the Wing debuted with the other new strips on October 1, 1933. Five weeks after the strip started, Mosley got a telegram in Chicago from Patterson: “Change the name of On the Wing to Smilin’ Jack,” it said. Mosley wired back: “The name of the main character is Mack not Jack.” But Patterson was not deterred by details: “Change name to Smilin’ Jack,” he responded.

Informative on the artist-aviator and the beginnings of Smilin' Jack: http://www.tcj.com/smilin-zack-mosleys- ... ue-yonder/

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A feeler to Neil Larson has been put out to see if we know if hang glider Jack Lambie had been familiar with Smilin' Jack. My gut feel is a yes on that, having known Jack's aviation interests and his name and his Hang Loose plans and his very manner; indeed, now knowing more of Jack Mosley and the Smilin' Jack, I sense a kind of reincarnation in Jack Lambie. Speculation here.


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Jack's first big break in newspapers was with the aviation-focused series called "On the Wing" For research we clip a quote from the above linked article:
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On the Wing debuted with the other new strips on October 1, 1933. Five weeks after the strip started, Mosley got a telegram in Chicago from Patterson: “Change the name of On the Wing to Smilin’ Jack,” it said. Mosley wired back: “The name of the main character is Mack not Jack.” But Patterson was not deterred by details: “Change name to Smilin’ Jack,” he responded.


For hang gliding history purposes, the duplication of the comic strips is fertile, I think. I clip a quote from the same page as above quote:
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Smilin’ Jack was reprinted in comic books during the 1940s and 1950s and collected in two saddle-stitched paperbacks Mosley published, Hot Rock Glide: August 1938-March 1939 (1979) and De-Icers Galore: April-August 1941 including some sample Sundays, 1934-40 (1980). Two other paperback collections from Classic Comic Strips, Volume 1 and 2 (n.d.), carry the continuity from the first daily strip, June 15, 1936, to March 20, 1938 (Volume 1 reprinting the first On the Wing), followed by a quarterly magazine that published about two dozen issues covering much of the period from March 20, 1939 to July 4, 1948. A movie serial, “The Adventures of Smilin’ Jack,” appeared in 1942 from Universal. The New York Times published Mosley’s obituary on December 25, 1993.


My sidebar about the first name "On the Wing" is a very visceral connection with the wing, perhaps the root of hang gliding....maybe human on the wing or human hanging on the wing. Hang gliding seems very much a hanging on or from the wing thing. Around the cartoon series, forgive yourself and others if names get confused around Zack, Mack, and Jack, as that was part of the real story.

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 Post subject: Re: Jim Hobson
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:56 pm 
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Father and son, Ron Bacon and son Britt Bacon, were mentioned in a post up a couple.
Here is my first written correspondence with Britt, age 55 right now. See above my note from memory about Britt as a 7 or 8 year old. He also interfaced with the Seagull III apparently; Ron and another adult of the time also flew Jim's Seagull III.

My note to Britt on Sat, May 25, 2013 at 3:33 PM
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Jim gifted me with meeting you and your father!

Feel free to post messages (free register) in

viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1185
starts the series of posts on Jim Hobson.

Jim had two hang gliders; the one he made and the one Seagull III that he bought in 1971 or 1972 or 1973, unsure.
So, your first flight had to have been his first homemade hang glider, if you were 7 or 8 years old. For any Seagull III flight, you would have been in your teens.

Best to you and yours,
Soon,
Joe Faust


With permission, Britt's reply sans given actual email of father:
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Hi Joe,
It was great meeting you, and getting more of the backstory on Jim.

The glider I rode, (as I remember being told to me) was one Jim had built; it definitely looked like it. I also remember my crash damaged the glider, and may have been the reason Jim bought a new one. If I was 12 or 13 at the time that would bring it to around 1970.
Hope this helps filling in the cracks.
You are welcome to post my comments in the forum.

I'm not sure if you got my Dad's email, but in case you didn't here it is: [rrrrrrrrrrrrr]

Peace and love,
Britt

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 Post subject: Re: Jim Hobson
PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 8:48 pm 
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Smilin' Jack: Escape From Death Rock (Daily and Sunday Strips 9/19/38 to 3/19/39, No. 2) [Paperback]
Zack Mosley (Author)
Here we see "Powder" ... (Smilin' Jack") with the control bar and a one point main hang while he operates a VG line. :)


A DIFFERENT JIM was also inspired into a life filled with gliding and soaring. I clip from a page from May 24, 2013, Mountain Democrat newspaper online: California Rambling: A family affair in the air By John Poimiroo wrote:
http://www.mtdemocrat.com/opinion/calif ... n-the-air/
The Indrebo family’s passion for soaring and gliding began when Jim, now in his 70s, was a school boy during World War II. An episode of “The Adventures of Smilin Jack” had its protagonist, the dashing, flying cap and goggles-wearing, comic strip aviator Smilin Jack, flying a glider from a cliff to rendezvous with a submarine. That strip inspired Jim’s boyhood interest in becoming a pilot in order to fly gliders. As soon as he was old enough to do so, Jim Indrebo fulfilled that dream and has been soaring since.

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 Post subject: Re: Jim Hobson
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:56 am 
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File comment: Jim was from aeromodelling background, something he continued all his life. Shown frame of glider is not his 1962 Rogallo Hang Glider. Does this remind you of Smilin' Jack's hang glider, nearly? It does for me; speculation on this.
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Repeating display of a 1930s Smilin' Jack drawing:
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... continuing reveal from May 23, 2013, services:
[ ] There was shown one photograph of Jim in his army clothes holding a wing frame. The photo will be shown a.s.a.p., but in case I am not around to show the photograph, then someone else might bring the image into the discussion for study. It now seems to remind me of Smilin' Jack's bamboo hang glider.

Jim Hobson was drafted into the U.S. Army in 1943 and discharged on January 14,1946, per caption on the photo.
In the year 1945 while in Germany, we see Jim building a frame for a glider (not his 1962 hang glider).
Heirs of Jim have copyright on this photo

Someone wrote the caption imprinted upon the photo. The caption states that Jim "built this glider" "after World War II ended" ...
What I am wondering, did he actually build the implied glider, that is, the glider implied by the shown frame?
Or is someone mixing up a different project. I do not know how many gliders Jim may have built. He built many model aircraft.
Tony di Leo is itemizing the model aircraft found in Jim's possession at the time of Jim's passing last month; that itemizing is not done yet.
The question may remain open whether he actually built the shown glider "after" his service and discharge or not. Jim did build an already documented "Rogallo Hang Glider" which E.A.A. showed and TV program showed. But the two "gliders" would be distinct, the Army-photo-implied glider and the E.A.A.-showed hang glider.

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 Post subject: Re: Jim Hobson
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 12:44 pm 
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Jim was sent to St. John's Military Academy in Wisconsin for officer training; duration: from 1938 to 1940.
He entered one week before he turned 16 years old.
He would be drafted in the U.S. Army in 1943 for about three years service up to January 14, 1946.

Do we known anything about Jim's stay in that academy? Anyone?

Informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._John's ... ry_Academy
There was a name change in 1995 for the same academy.

And: http://www.sjnma.org/

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Jaime L. Buege
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Dear Mr. Buege,
In 1938, we have, James Hobson entered at age of 15 yr. 51 weeks, your academy. In 1943 he was drafted in the U. S. Army. James (Jim) passed away on April 26, 2013. We have celebrated his life partly in a formal service on May 23, 2013. We are tracing his life in the open-public discussion thread "James Hobson" in the USHawks.org forum beginning at post:
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1185

and have hope that you may now release information about Jim's stay at the academy. We give a link to your academy. We in hang gliding seek to know Jim's life better, as he was at the cusp of the hang gliding renaissance that had starts in 1960, at least. Jim was perhaps unique in the way his hang glider project was shared to the world in Sport Aviation magazine and on an episode in 1962 of the Lawrence Welk Show.

Jim has been awarded by the World Hang Gliding Association a special award:
http://www.energykitesystems.net/WHGA/J ... AWARD.html

Whatever stories and information you may release to the public about James Hobson' stay with your academy would be appreciated.

Thank you,
Sincerely,
Joe Faust

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 Post subject: Re: Jim Hobson
PostPosted: Sun May 26, 2013 11:26 pm 
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More about 1933, if caption is correct, and the an early
"hang" sky rider for Jim. He with brother John and perhaps two other boys built their version of the sky ride of the Chicago World's Fair "Century of Progress. They configured a pulley up in a tree and lined a rope that bridled a barrel; they were to pull on the line to hoist each other up into the sky. Lois was first test pilot; she was hoisted high and the rope broke and the sky rider device came down really fast; her uncle Jack helped to break the fall some. Here is a clip with Jim in the DIY sky rider hung by a single hang line:
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 Post subject: Re: Jim Hobson
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In 1943, drafted by the U. S. Army:

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Cameraman, producer, director ....
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Coffee Dog Productions
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Click through to see photo of Jim at left of Liberace.

Jim and Ashley's dog: "Quaker"
is imaged at Coffee Dog Productions site.

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