[JoeF]

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[JoeF]

Various TCF positions shown in
Mantis Simulator Video


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and another simulator showing TCF positions:


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and another type:
Tufts Hang Gliding Flight Simulator

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Hang Gliding Flight Simulator

[Red]

Various TCF positions shown in Mantis Simulator Video https://youtu.be/qZzQ9nWNkyw
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and another simulator showing TCF positions: https://youtu.be/wqhmMmB-M-g
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Tufts Hang Gliding Flight Simulator https://youtu.be/j3Bl4o3PWmw
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Hang Gliding Flight Simulator https://youtu.be/9M75Js16-Ys

Campers,

IMHO, only the Mantis HG Simulator is The Right Stuff on this list, or even close. The "video" simulators listed are about like saying that student drivers should only be taught to drive in Rolls-Royces and Formula 1 cars, not Fords, but they never get taught to merge or park. Nobody (on the average) can duplicate those elaborate video rigs on ANY practical basis, therefore no simulators will get used. That non-responding Lookout concept is about as useless as anything that I can imagine, for teaching. You may as well park the glider on the dirt, with a chair under the tail.

I am a strong proponent of responsive, full-glider simulators (Mantis or similar) to be used in real-life HG instruction everywhere.

The best benefit of the HG Simulator is to show (teach) the HG student plainly that the glider DOES respond well to proper control inputs, which is not a realistic expectation without a full glider to do the responding. Expecting the student to imagine what they have never seen (a glider responding to controls), near the ground, is just asking too much of any new pilot.

All IHMO, of course.
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[JoeF]

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[JoeF]

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Waiting position at Kagel launch

[JoeF]

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[JoeF]

TCF (triangle control frame) captures Joe and Joe:
Joe Greblo as high-wind watcher and
object of worry Joe Faust in undersized wing at Otto meet

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[JoeF]

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From long conference paper: PaperHEREinPDF

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[JoeF]

ferdinand_schulzCIRCE1920s.jpg (11.76 KiB) Viewed 8680 times

See more
http://www.retroplane.net/besenstiel/besenstiel-esp.html
BS
http://www.retroplane.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4596&start=60
and
http://www.delta-club-82.com/bible/707-hang-glider-fs3-besenstiel.htm

[JoeF]

TCFsPositionedAwayFromSight.JPG (36 KiB) Viewed 8666 times

The positioning of the TCFs so we cannot see them: