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Re: Universal Paragliding Design Flaw (UPDF)

Postby JoeF » Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:48 am

Condolences to his family and friends.

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May they serve his legacy by now paying attention to the above post.
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Re: Universal Paragliding Design Flaw (UPDF)

Postby wingspan33 » Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:15 pm

Brace is not very far from Ellenville, NY where I started flying back in '75. I've never flown at Brace, but I am sad to here that a collapsible canopy pilot died there on Tuesday.

I doubt if he would have died - or even crashed - if he'd actually been flying a hang glider.

His name has been released and I was relieved to know that he wasn't someone I knew from when I was an active pilot at Ellenville. Those who where close to him are not so lucky.
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Re: Universal Paragliding Design Flaw (UPDF)

Postby Rick Masters » Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:30 pm

Sorry to read this. Any details on who and what we can do to help.

The big help would be to try to stop people from flying collapsible canopies in inland turbulence.
I try that a lot but without a majority of pilots acting with me, the message doesn't get across.

Otherwise, you can try tucking these little girls (or any of the hundreds of other little orphaned children) into bed every night.
Read to them. Play with them. Help them with their homework. Take them on trips to the park and the zoo and other places.
Provide for the mother and family. Keep the bad boys away. Send the girls to college. Be at their weddings when they marry.
That kind of thing. I'm sure it would help a little. Might cut into your flying time, though.
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Re: Universal Paragliding Design Flaw (UPDF)

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:55 am

Here's a video Frank sent me yesterday:

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Re: Universal Paragliding Design Flaw (UPDF)

Postby JoeF » Fri Jul 19, 2019 9:10 pm

:arrow: :arrow: :arrow: Foolkiller

and Marvel's Foolkiller
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tip on Marvel from Michael Grisham. Thanks.
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Re: Universal Paragliding Design Flaw (UPDF)

Postby wingspan33 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:54 am

Joe, Earlier in July I was at the local launch on Mt Washington and I watched some PG pilots launch. One nearly clipped the trees on the south side of the "slot" launch. Another fellow got lifted up then dropped about four feet to the ground, bounced about two feet back up then "tuck and rolled" to a stationary position on the ground.

The design flaw of collapsible canopies is what allows this. I've almost never seen a hang glider clip the trees during launch. And I have NEVER seen a hang glider pilot "miss-launch" involving falling and bouncing against the ground in the process. I really and honestly can't understand why people fly collapsible canopies, or don't quit flying them shortly after things, like I've seen, happen.

I know someone with a PHD who, sometime in the last few years, stopped flying hang gliders and now only flies collapsible canopies! :wtf: :eh: I really don't understand it.
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Re: Universal Paragliding Design Flaw (UPDF)

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat Jul 27, 2019 1:54 am

There's been a good discussion on the Oz "Smashing rocks with your face" topic. It started with this harrowing video:



The discussion went back and forth (as they tend to do), and then Harry Martin dropped his classic cartoon:

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Then Steve Forslund paid a nice compliment to both Ben Reese and Rick Masters by joining their names:

Steve Forslund wrote:So the question was asked and answered. The answer was not what Ben Masters wanted so he has ignored it
We all know there are way more paraglider pilots and they fly way more often. Ben why dont you talk to Dustin Martin about paragliding, you certainly dont respect anyone here who doesn't agree with you.


Then Ben hit it out of the park - way out of the park - with this one:

Ben Reese wrote:I had a reply written a few days ago and it got wiped by some error..

Steve, it is not a matter of respect. That is a dumb reference..

I certainly respect Dustin.. I don’t agree with him or you regarding PG’s.

Your saying I don’t respect people who buy a blue car because I buy a white one..

The cars are exactly the same except color..

PG’s and HG’s are not the same. I am sick and tired of you and others stuffing them in the same box..

Will talking to Dustin redesign the PG into a safe canopy craft?

You and everyone else singing your tune are in denial of facts..
You and those like you are responsible for a continuing parade of death and injury that cannot be mitigated…

By not disclosing the truth about PG’s true dangers, you put the sport of HG at risk because it is locked in the “Dead Zone” with PG by the grip of USHPA..

Congratulations Steve, you have won.

I have not renewed my membership and I am seriously thinking about selling my wings.
I have other aviation choices available to me with the company of more honest pilots.

Sure I can fly without USHPA but the places I love to fly are closed to non USHPA members..

The latest drama with Reform Vote and our 1st meeting being closed to members was a complete disappointment… You deserve it… Way to go…

Enjoy the funerals and helicopter rides..

Congratulate yourselves after you grovel to the FAA for a Tandem Exemption, that pretends to be an instruction flight, when it is not! This last one took 2 years and USHPA has no explanation as to why?

What an embarrassment…

Watch more sites like Torrey get swallowed up by commercial bullies feeding USHPA.

This sport is built on a house of cards and ignorant individuals who are too lazy to clean it up..

Those that try are banned and maligned by a litany of special interests…
Throw in a truck load of mis-management and you get exactly what you got..

HG cannot be saved under USHPA while being strangled by PG mis-information..

Frankly it is criminal…

PG will survive outside USA.

But here in the States there will be a lawsuit that has every PG manufacturer fleeing this country..

I don’t want to be part of that, nor have my name associated with an Org doomed to extinct itself and betray its members…

Because I have said these things, you will blame me for them when they come to pass..

You don’t have the maturity, honesty and resolve to solve these problems among yourselves. Those people like myself abandon you…

But even though I belevive this and don’t have faith in your ranks, I hope you do survive and fix the gaping holes in your ignorant ship…

Prove my warnings a cry of Wolf…

Without me..


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Re: Universal Paragliding Design Flaw (UPDF)

Postby wingspan33 » Sat Jul 27, 2019 10:53 am

YES! That was great! :thumbup: :clap: :thumbup: :clap: :thumbup: :clap: :thumbup: :clap:
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