Personal Journals about Hang Gliding

Re: Blog: Easy Riser repair project

Postby jcoyier » Tue Oct 15, 2013 10:19 am

Condorman,
I would be glad to help you get a set of plans for the Easy Riser. I have my originals which I believe are complete. I don't want to part with them yet but will inquire what it might take to copy them. They are that very light blue ink so I am not sure how good they will copy and it's faded besides. Email me so we can take this off-line
jcoyier@gmail.com
jcoyier
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:55 am
Location: Dallas, Oregon

Easy Riser repair #13

Postby jcoyier » Wed Nov 20, 2013 11:21 am

Easy Riser Repair #13

November 19, 2013

I was not going to let this happen but here I am. Nearly two months since a new post. The longer I put this off the more difficult it becomes to keep the info organized and assembled into a coherent and accurate account. I want to emphasize that I am learning as I go and what I have done up to this point is merely convey what I've done which some times turns out to be a major blunder or innocent error on my part so beware in what you take away should you decide to repair or build an Easy Riser! I am using the Stits or now called Poly Fiber chemicals and process vs the Stewart system or the old tautning nitrate dope or Ceconite process.

Upper Left Wing Panel

The first swath of glue working from the center both span wise and chord wise.

D1_small.jpg
D1_small.jpg (27.78 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


I later on decide not to glue down the rib cap strips until last (after shrinking). The root and tip tubes were glued down first using a couple clamps to hold down the opposite end with 3-4 pounds tension. I will soon find out that there is enough shrink available in this fabric to take out puckers and folds I was concerned would not come out and this was accomplished at only 250 F (actually, the Poly Fiber manual states 225F as the first pass temperature to use). I will also find out that the fabric will stand 400 F as measured on the small iron with no noticeable problems so I have plenty of margin to work with. In retrospect, it seems like the best process would have been to have glued down the entire perimeter of both the top and bottom blankets and iron the entire wing at a low temp (225F). This should allow a nice, even tension of the entire panel without having the ribs involved. After that is done, then the ribs would be glued down and a final shrink done at the lowest you need to use to just get the surface wrinkle-free (no more than 250 should be needed unless you did a really poor job of covering). With the frame I'm working with, I still don't believe I can do much better than about ¼ inch sag between the ribs (measured at the height of the leading edge) mainly because I seem to be so limited on the amount of span wise tension I can apply without putting a dog leg in the frame.
Poly Brush brush-on first coat complete. Notice the bottom panel is done first and left to dry overnight and then the frame is flipped and the top is then finished off so that I didn't have to rest the top panel surface coated with Poly Brush onto the bench surface and risk having the P Brush stick to the bench top.

D2_small.jpg
D2_small.jpg (45.82 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Notice the paper slit templates laying on the table.

D3_small.jpg
D3_small.jpg (47.39 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Arrived with the empty trailer ready to take this wing panel back to my shop and probably end up storing it until I get painting weather next spring. I don't think the weather is going to last long enough for me to finish two more wings so that I would be ready to spray paint.

D4_small.jpg
D4_small.jpg (51.11 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


D5_small.jpg
D5_small.jpg (46.33 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Right Upper Panel.
First drew a glue line onto both top and bottom fabric tangent points for both the TE and LE directly onto the spars using the finger guide technique or FGT (rest your middle and ring finger on the spar as you move down the spar while holding the pencil between your index finger and thumb). This works really well and is fast to do. Applied full strength glue between these two guide lines for both spars and bottom surface rib caps. Cut the bottom blanket to length leaving about 3-4 inches of extra at each end (never needed more than that) and squared up the fabric on the frame. Pulled tension on the center section of the chord and clamped it at the root and tip. Beginning in the center of the span, glued a section of the rib caps working out to the root and tip.

DS7_small.jpg
DS7_small.jpg (26.76 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Again, I later decide this is not the best process. Better to glue down the cap strips after the shrinking step. Since this was an upper panel, I was using very light tension chord-wise tension for the top blanket. Forgot the sequence I used on the left wing and clamped the trailing edge root and tip with moderate span wise tension and burned the bracket slots. LE first is the best order to do this (the reverse of what I ended up doing on this panel). Used a paddle tip on my soldering gun to burn both the TE mid and TE tip slots. Marked both sets of slits while fabric was tensioned. I left it tensioned and slipped a small piece of 4”X4”,¼ inch plate of plywood under the fabric and used it as a backer plate to burn against.

DS3_small.jpg
DS3_small.jpg (30.74 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


I then glued the TE starting at the middle bracket, working out to the tip and root ends using a very light touch chord-wise to just get the fabric smooth and no more. It is very easy to pull just a little bit more on each 2-4 inch tack which you just have to resist or you will end up with puckers where the last tack strip stopped. Be checking as you work to make sure this isn't happening.

DS4_small.jpg
DS4_small.jpg (19.13 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Next, I applied 3-4 lbs span wise tension on the LE, marked the bracket slots at the “just snug” chord-wise tension point and burned them. I proceeded to glue down the LE using very little chord-wise tension (just enough to pull the little pucker out right where the fabric hits the LE (fabric tangent point). Next, I finished up the rib cap strips all the way to the spars. Using my fingers here to hold the fabric down on the cap strip....best to use a couple magazines for this like the plans say. I did that later and it worked much better.

DS6_small.jpg
DS6_small.jpg (21.37 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


In tacking down the LE and TE, I stopped about 4 inches away from the tip curve and the root rib tube corner on both the spars and the rib tubes. I finished these four corner areas last.

DS7_small.jpg
DS7_small.jpg (26.76 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


I used the small iron set at about 350 and slowly worked the fabric around the tip curves and root camber arch. This time it worked really well mainly because I had not yet cut the excess fabric off and had something to pull on as I used the iron to heat form around the curves. I used a pencil to trace a fabric cut line onto the fabric right at the spar fabric tangent point using the FGT. I had already traced the glue boundary line onto the spar which I could see through the fabric as I draped it around the spar. I traced the cut line just shy of the glue line to make sure the glue held down the cut edge. Cut the extra fabric off both the TE and LE to wrap onto the spar AFTER double checking that I had finished heat forming the fabric around the tip curves and both tip and root rib curves past the glue line. I did not allow much more than what I needed to produce an inch and a quarter overlap for the top blanket. It took a fair bit of time to brush on 50/50 glue/MEK mix and glue it down to the spar. If you go at this carefully and only do a short section at a time (like about 4 inches) you will be able to smooth out the fabric and get it to lay down nice with no wrinkles or bubbles. This saved a lot of time later when I used the small iron to go all around the perimeter smoothing out all the air pockets, wrinkles and glue topography for a good, smooth fabric to fabric overlap joint. Noticed that I did not say at what point I burned the LE bracket slits in the #12 report which is a critical item. I will guess that I did it after gluing a center swath of rib caps out to the root and tip. This would give me some chord-wise constraint as I attempted to properly locate the slits and maintain minimum chord-wise tension.

Top Blanket

This is a shot of the upper right panel flipped and the top blanket being applied.

DS9_small.jpg
DS9_small.jpg (32.73 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Tacking down the tip end.

DS10_small.jpg
DS10_small.jpg (27.66 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


The entire root and tip tubes are glued with moderate tension prior to starting on the spars (LE & TE). This shot show the results of detailed snipping and cutting to fit the fabric around the root rib tube LE spar joint.

DS11_small.jpg
DS11_small.jpg (39.56 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


A shot of typical ripples visible on the finished panel. These can easily be ironed out at around 225F.

DS12_small.jpg
DS12_small.jpg (26.18 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Gluing the LE while propped up on a post for easy access worked well.

DS13_small.jpg
DS13_small.jpg (29.37 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


A look at the bottom blanket in final form prior to sealing.

DS14_small.jpg
DS14_small.jpg (27.72 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


During the sealing process, I applied the Poly Brush too heavily over the tape area and got these nasty solvent bubbles that I could not get out. I will try to remove them by brushing over these areas later with 65-75 Reducer. This is the only area this happened on and I think what happened was that I did not have the filler mixed in well enough which allowed a lot of solvent to go right through the fabric and get trapped on the tape surface.

DS16_small.jpg
DS16_small.jpg (27.55 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Lower Left Panel

Trimming off excess fabric on the bottom blanket.

DSC00024_small.jpg
DSC00024_small.jpg (36.94 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Leaving the excess fabric on while using the high temp small iron was best to get the fabric to conform around the tip curves and both rib tube curves.

DSC00025_small.jpg
DSC00025_small.jpg (31.98 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Started the top side blanket on the lower left panel after assembling the upper panel to it with temp rigging wires and all struts in place including diagonals and rudder to check for fold down binding. There was none and the rudder rotated freely so I am calling it good enough. The only issue is that after folding the panels down the leading and trailing edges don't line up and are off about 2 or 3 inches at the tips. Since there is nothing I can do about this short of rebuilding the entire panel frames, I am going to push on (I had made this decision back when I repaired the upper left panel spar and was aware then that the panels were skewed relative to each other when folded down). The rudder control cable was too short to reach the rudder horn so I decided to disassemble the cable from the twist grip.

DSC00027_small.jpg
DSC00027_small.jpg (43.84 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


UFM shipped these assembled. Notice how they had attached the cable to the twist grip tube. The tube was padded with standard duct tape with the cable wrapped around the tube. Filament tape was then used to secure the cable to the tube and then the whole grip area was wrapped with what appeared to be bike handle wrap tape. Brian Porter suggests I fit mine with 90 degree “handles”. His opinion was that the twist grip is OK to learn on but after you spend an hour in the air, those twist grips get really tiring on the forearms.

I am going to put more span-wise tension on the lower panels than I did on the upper panels because they should be able to take more stress since they are shorter/stockier. This time around, I cut out templates from notebook paper to use in locating the bracket slits and it worked fine, no need to use heavier card stock paper and also easier to modify. The trick still remains as to the best way to locate the slits prior to burning them.
Top Blanket Process Steps;

  1. burn the tip LE bracket slits
  2. tension the fabric span-wise on the LE
  3. mark position of mid-span bracket slits (after checking that the fabric drape is parallel to the LE...i.e. probably better not to mount the blanket crooked)
  4. burn mid LE slits ALL GLUING FROM HERE ON IS ONLY A TACK LINE APPROX ½ INCH WIDE USING 50/50 GLUE/MEK (I did this because it allowed me to correct spots that weren't right later)
  5. re-tension fabric and glue LE from root to tip (used very light touch here to avoid inducing puckers along the glue line). I ended up with a wrinkle and no way to pull it out on the tip as I glued down the LE tip curve (do the curve last)
  6. tensioned TE span-wise leaving tip bracket outside clamped area, marked and burned the middle bracket slits. I was careful to apply almost no chord-wise tension when locating these slits...just barely enough to take out the chord-wise looseness.
  7. Glued fabric from mid bracket out to the root end of the TE spar and then from the mid bracket out to the tip just shy of the tip bracket.
  8. Did the best I could to mark the tip bracket slits and burned them. This was hard to do and I didn't get the location very good and ended up with some big, ugly slits to cover later. This bracket is so near the tip curve that it's by far the hardest bracket to locate slits for. Probably a better technique...I didn't find it.
  9. Tack glued both the root and tip rib tubes then went over the entire top side blanket looking for loose spots and wrinkles. I used the big iron on low(225F) and did only spot ironing to tighten out the waves and puckers I could see. I then went back over with the small iron on high (350) and went after the smaller, more difficult wrinkles and folds and got nearly everything smooth.
  10. Flipped the panel over and pulled the extra fabric over the spars snug so that the glue line I had drawn in as a guide in gluing up the spars was visible through the fabric. Used the finger guide against the spar technique (FGT) to sketch in my cut line onto the extra fabric with a pencil. Marked around the entire panel and then used the soldering knife tip to hot melt the cut line. I used an aluminum straight edge as a backing plate to cut against after finding that using a wood piece kept making the tip wander as it tried to follow the grain vs the cut line. I quickly concluded that using a hot knife to do this was a poor choice. A sharp scissors leaves a far superior (smooth & precise) fabric edge to glue down and takes less setup.
  11. Glued the rest of the fabric wrap around each spar plus the root and tip ribs
  12. Detailed the bracket slit areas to remove extra fabric and used the small iron to smooth things out at each bracket in prep for the cover patches. Marked and cut out cover patches as described previously except I found I could make the paper templates much easier with notebook paper vs card stock. Glued them in place using Poly Tak.
  13. Decided on a 20 inch piece of reinforcement fabric (4 inch wide bias tape from Aircraft Spruce) to protect the TE tip section of the panel. Both the tips come into ground contact when the glider is parked so they get the most wear. Applied a glue line after marking it out in pencil. Glued down a section on the top surface inboard of the tip bracket and let it dry. Came back later and pulled tension on the tape, wrapping it around the TE tip curve and clamped it. Used the small iron starting in the middle of the curve and slowly ironed out all the wrinkles and then glued the top part only. Used the same method on the LE where I decided to add an additional piece of reinforcement tape although not quite as long....approx. 16 inches. I later read the Poly Fiber manual and realized I had done this wrong. Apparently all reinforcement tapes, including gusset patches applied onto the fabric are cemented on using only Poly Brush, not fabric cement (Poly Tak). The reason given is that Poly Tak cement is not flexible enough. Flipped the panel and penciled in the glue line for the reinforcement tape sections and used the small iron to smooth out the tape onto the glue area prior to wetting out the fabric.
  14. Went over entire frame top and bottom with the small iron and smoothed out air pockets and patch areas. Used large iron to finish off the top surface after blocking in the washout (making sure the panel is properly blocked up prior to the final ironing allows you to see where you need to iron and where you don't since the frame is so flexible.

I discovered that Poly Brush solids (the ingredient that enables the fabric pores to be plugged) settle out and do not go into solution even after vigorous shaking. I had to stir the stuff off the bottom where it had settled out and gummed up. You can tell you're getting into it since it is white in color against the iron oxide red of the solvent mix. The Poly Fiber manual talks about the function of Poly Brush being to seal the fabric pores and some good discussion about the cause of pinholes and what to do about them. I was supposed to thin the Poly Brush with 65-75 Reducer (according to the Poly Fiber manual) but Ernie never dilutes Poly Brush with the first brush-on coat. I plan to use the Reducer when I brush coat the last wing just to see if I have less or more pinhole/bubble problems. I have now completed the first lower wing panel through Poly Brush sealing and am on to the last remaining wing panel. Here are the other photos of the progression on the first lower panel;

DSC00028_small.jpg
DSC00028_small.jpg (37.5 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Used the side of my hand to apply even but very light tension chord-wise as I tacked the spars.

DSC00029_small.jpg
DSC00029_small.jpg (23.15 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


View of the tip end after tacking it in place. Loose areas like this one I released the tack and pulled most of it smooth and re-tacked it. What was left the iron took care of easily.

DSC00030_small.jpg
DSC00030_small.jpg (25.18 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


A shot of the TE tip area after tacking. Notice there are some folds that will need to come out with the iron.

DSC00031_small.jpg
DSC00031_small.jpg (22.42 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


I continue to screw up the bracket slit locations. Fortunately, these ugly holes are easily covered with the patches applied after Poly Brush sealing.

DSC00032_small.jpg
DSC00032_small.jpg (26.58 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


A shot of me using the FGT (finger guide technique described earlier) to draw the fabric cut line.

DSC00033_small.jpg
DSC00033_small.jpg (41.1 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Here I am trying out the hot knife approach to cutting the fabric along the cut line. This did not work well. It required a backer plate to cut against, was hard to hold a straight line and also tended to form melt beads in the fabric since you cannot control the tip temperature. Use a good, sharp scissors instead.

DSC00035_small.jpg
DSC00035_small.jpg (37.51 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Didn't read the manual and glued on this reinforcement bias tape to the high wear area on the TE tip along with all the gusset patches on this wing. All tapes and patches should be put on AFTER the first brush coat of Poly Brush per the manual since glue is too inflexible.

DSC00037_small.jpg
DSC00037_small.jpg (34.01 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Finished with initial brush-on coat of Poly Brush.

DSC00039_small.jpg
DSC00039_small.jpg (42.24 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Lower Right Panel

I will try to describe the best of everything I've learned for this last panel starting with the finished frame.
First off, I wrapped all the rib gussets with chafing tape (athletic tape works fine) as well as anywhere the fabric wraps over rivets or gussets to minimize wear on the fabric. The plans did not call for this but I think it's worth doing.
Used the FGT(see above) to draw glue lines onto the spars at the fabric tangent point. I did not strip the old glue (Super Seam) after the Poly Fiber tech told me these glues are compatible.
Applied full strength glue between these lines with a ½ inch brush with the frame propped up off the table with a support post for easy access rather than flipping the frame and having to make two, separate glue passes to get the glue area covered.

IMG_0078_small.jpg
IMG_0078_small.jpg (36.52 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Applied glue to the bottom surface rib cap strips only. Save the top surface rib cap glue for later.

Bottom Blanket

Roll out the fabric and cut to length. Even out the overlap on both LE and TE and clamp the four corners so that the fabric slack is mostly pulled out. Tack down both the root and tip rib tubes with desired tension (3-4 lbs) alternating back and forth from root to tip to keep the fabric even. Stop about 4-5 inches away from the tip curve and the same from the root rib tube corners. Take out the chord-wise slack and apply 3-4 lbs tension to the LE fabric and clamp it in place. Tack down the LE starting in the middle and working out to within 4-5 inches of the root and tip rib tubes. Use a very light touch on chord-wise tension. The idea is to tack down the fabric along the straight line of tension you are applying parallel to the LE and resist pulling on it which only pulls it out of alignment. Repeat on the TE except this time you want to take out the chord-wise slack using enough tension to have a final, smooth fabric surface free of slack or major wrinkles. Continue to tack the root and tip rib tubes moving right on around the tip curve and the root rib tube and finish off both the LE and TE to completely join the tack lines. This is the easiest panel surface you have on the entire airframe (it's short and strong and also has no bracket slits to contend with). so do it first saving the upper panel bottom surfaces for last. You may get some small wrinkles and puckers especially in the root and tip sections which will have to be ironed out later so try to keep them from happening in the first place. Use the FGT and pencil in the cut line onto the fabric tail to be cut off all around the perimeter of the panel. Make sure you draw this slightly short of the glue area on the spars to ensure the fabric edge will hit glue when cut off and wrapped onto the spar. Use the small iron on high (350F) and heat-form the fabric around the tip curve. Best technique I found was to pull tension on the tail and wrap the fabric around the tube while working the iron around the tube. Start in the middle of the curve and work out and take some time. If you do, you will likely get zero pleats or wrinkles. Keep wrapping and forming until you are an 1/8 inch past the cut line. Work the rib camber curve area in the same manner for both the tip and root. There is also some detail cutting and snipping to be done to fit the fabric around the root rib tube where it joins the TE and LE. Using a sharp scissors, cut off the excess fabric and begin the finished gluing of the entire frame perimeter. I used the same order as I did to tack the fabric. If the glue lines you penciled in are not still easy to see, re-trace them now. You will need to be able to see them through the top blanket fabric.

Top Blanket

Set the panel up onto a support post and apply full strength glue between the glue guide lines you drew for the bottom panel. Keep the glue from going past the edge of the fabric which should stop right at the fabric tangent point. If you don't, when you do final gluing of the top blanket, the fabric can stick down past the tangent line and form little puckers just inboard on the spar and they are almost impossible to get out while maintaining very light chord-wise tension.
Lay the panel flat on a table with a washout support block in place and apply glue to the rib cap strips going right on over the filament tape. Go extra heavy over the anti chaffing tape because it will absorb the glue like a sponge.
Rolled out the fabric and cut it with about 4 inches extra on both ends.
Tacked down about 12 inches on the root rib tube just aft of the last LE tape strip using maybe 4-5 pounds of tension (a bit more than the bottom because you need the tension to hold the fabric up between the ribs so support the small amount of chord-wise tension you'll need to apply to get a smooth fabric surface that won't flutter in flight.
Repeat on tip. Ended up with some small span-wise waves and puckers which will come out when I apply a little chord-wise tension later on.
Extended gluing on both root and tip tube ribs stopping short of the tip curve and the spars at the root end.
Tacked down the LE starting at the root out to the tip. Very light touch on chord-wise tension. Just barely enough to avoid a pucker at the fabric tangent point on the LE spar.
Clamped LE at tip and root with moderate tension to locate and burn the middle bracket slit.
I made a paper template to pencil trace the slits onto the fabric prior to burning them.
Applied final LE tension and located tip bracket and burned it in.
Starting from the middle bracket, tacked the LE to the root and then to the tip stopping short of the curve at the tip.
Clamped moderate tension on TE and located, then burned the middle bracket slits with just enough chord-wise tension to just take up the slackness in the fabric without any pull down between ribs.
Proceed to tack glue the LE from the middle bracket to the tip and then to the root stopping short of the tip curve.
Applied final tension of TE (guessing 4-5 lbs) and located, then burned the tip bracket slits. Again, with minimal chord-wise tension. There should be almost no detectible pull down between ribs in the area just aft of the last span of filament tape.
Tack glue the TE beginning at the middle bracket to the tip and then to the root stopping short of the tip curve.
Tack glue the tip rib using light span-wise tension. Work from the center of the tip rib tube out to the LE and then repeat out to the TE and continue right on around the curve. Tack a thin strip approx. ¼ wide right at the fabric tangent line.
Tack the root rib tube the same way except pull moderately strong span-wise tension as you glue(4-5 lbs?). If you are careful, you should have almost no wrinkles, folds, puckers or pleats. Even after all the practice I've had doing this, I still get some but they come out with the iron at 225F. Any left after that, I hit with the small iron set at high (350F).
Fix any problem areas if needed by releasing the tack line with MEK and re-gluing. With the panel bottom side down on the table, wrap the excess fabric around the spars and trace a line onto the fabric right over the cut line you drew on the spars.

Heat forming to the curves

Take the small iron and slowly work the fabric down into the glue all along the tip curve while applying some tension on the fabric tail (this is why you didn't cut this off yet, you need it to hang onto and pull to help form the fabric to the curve.....if you cut off the excess and try to form the fabric, you will end up with pleats that you cannot iron out).

DSC00002_small.jpg
DSC00002_small.jpg (21.96 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


DSC00003_small.jpg
DSC00003_small.jpg (22.6 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


DSC00005_small.jpg
DSC00005_small.jpg (23.09 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


The glue acts like hot melt glue when you do this and actually sticks down. Get as much as you can from the bottom side and then flip the frame over and finish it. You should be able to get all the pleats worked out right up to the cut line and a little past it.
Repeat this process all along the root rib tube.

DSC00006_small.jpg
DSC00006_small.jpg (31.85 KiB) Viewed 9550 times


Use a nice, sharp scissors and cut the excess fabric off. There is some detail work around the root rib tube that you'll have to screw with to get it to look good including the slit for the rudder control cable.

Final Gluing

Start gluing the fabric from the middle bracket out on both the LE and TE. The only way this worked for me was using my bare finger and a ½ inch brush doing about a 3 inch section at a time moving as fast as I could. The idea is to smash and work the 50/50 glue/MEK through the fabric into the glue layer on the spar. If it doesn't seem to be wetting out the glue layer underneath, dilute the mix with more MEK. Even though you heat-formed the fabric around the tip curves and root rib tube, it still needs to be glued so just make sure you've gone all the way around the entire frame once you start gluing. Save gluing the rib cap strips for the very last thing you do prior to applying the Poly Brush sealant. Go around the entire frame and iron out any topography over the entire frame glue area you just finished. The entire frame perimeter should be nice and smooth when you are done.

Ironing

Set the big iron to 225F, check that the washout block is in place and hit areas that are the least taut first. The idea here is to get somewhere close to even tension on the entire panel and remove all wrinkles and puckers in the fabric. I watched the inter rib pull down very closely as I did this to make sure I didn't go any further than necessary to remove wrinkles and get a reasonable fabric tension (whatever that is). I never had to go past 225F to get all the wrinkles out. You can go all the way up to 350F with no fabric degradation if you had to. Let the glue dry overnight.

Sealing

Mix the Poly Brush 3:1 with one part 65-75 Reducer. Use a stirring stick to get the filler off the bottom of the can of Poly Brush and get it completely stirred into the solvent. It is a whitish material and settles out really fast as gum on the bottom of the can. I brushed this on in a shop with the temp set to 65F where it was 50F outside and raining in Oregon and had no trouble with blushing. Used a 3 inch disposable natural bristle brush which had nice and soft bristles (the polyester ones were too stiff and not well tapered). Fast and easy was the trick. Avoid slopping it on. Brush out any bubbles that form since they will dry in the coat and only come out if you go back later with solvent which is a pain to do.

What's next

I had some ugly, oversized bracket slits after doing a poor job of properly locating them. I'll cut nice patches later and apply them with Poly Brush sealant over the first brush-on coat applied above
jcoyier
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:55 am
Location: Dallas, Oregon

Re: Blog: Easy Riser repair project

Postby soar8hours » Fri Jan 10, 2014 3:53 pm

Brings back alot of old memeories for me since I had an Icarus II back in 1973-74.
Then an Easy Riser in 1979.
Tommy
Tommy Thompson

"Experience is no substitute for Safety"
soar8hours
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 46
Joined: Wed Nov 23, 2011 3:40 pm
Location: North Carolina

Re: Blog: Easy Riser repair project

Postby jcoyier » Sat Jan 11, 2014 10:46 am

Tommy,
I'd be really interested in getting any tips from you about how to go about learning how to fly the Easy without breaking or tweaking anything. Maybe this could be a different Forum topic??......Bob, what do you think? I think separating the flying experiences from this building blog would be a good thing to do (although I'm assuming there would be enough interest).
In the mean time, write me off line at jcoyier at gmail. I'm particularly interested in how much yaw and roll control I would get from the tip rudders on launch. The training film shows this as an exercise to be done stationary prior to attempting to launch. I watched Darrel Robbins launch his ER at Funston in 20 mph plus wind and prior to launch, he had gotten stuck with one wing up and one wing down on the deck unable to bring it level and had to have assistance twice to correct and get level again (not that I'm ever going to attempt launching in 20+ with mine!).
John
jcoyier
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:55 am
Location: Dallas, Oregon

Re: Blog: Easy Riser repair project

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat Jan 11, 2014 6:07 pm

Hi John and Tommy!!

Anyone who starts a blog can make up pretty much whatever rules they want for their blog. So it's up to your personal preferences. Just tell me what you want done, and I'll do it.

You could hold the conversation here.
You could hold the conversation in another Blog (or in a regular flying topic).
You could even start the conversation here and if it becomes too much of a diversion from the Easy Riser Restoration, then I could move selected posts of your choosing to a new topic (although that can sometimes break the continuity of a topic).

I'd suggest starting a new topic in the Hang Gliding General section of the forum to talk about flying the Easy Riser. That sounds like a perfectly good topic to me!!

But back to the idea of the Blog, it's really intended to be a place where you (the Blog Author) has control. If you don't like a particular post, just ask me to have it removed, and I'll do it. I can either put the removed posts into another similar topic, or I can put them into the "removed posts" topic. In either case, the posts will still be somewhere, but just not in your own Blog topic.

In fact, I might just move this post (my post) to the "removed posts" area since it somewhat breaks up the flow of your restoration topic. ;)
Join a National Hang Gliding Organization: US Hawks at ushawks.org
View my rating at: US Hang Gliding Rating System
Every human at every point in history has an opportunity to choose courage over cowardice. Look around and you will find that opportunity in your own time.
Bob Kuczewski
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 8371
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:40 pm
Location: San Diego, CA

Re: Blog: Easy Riser repair project

Postby jcoyier » Sun Jan 12, 2014 9:35 pm

Bob,
OK, I'd like to give this a shot since I've got a lot at stake if I screw up another "maiden" flight on my re-built Easy. I will take your advice on whether a Topic or Blog would work best. My preference would be to make it a Topic as long as that allows video links (which I think would be necessary for what this could become in terms of usefulness to new ER pilots). Assuming Topics allow for references to video links would you be willing to initiate the Topic? I'll post the first entry with a recount of my first attempted flight many years ago that resulted in this required re-build.
Thanks,
John
jcoyier
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:55 am
Location: Dallas, Oregon

Re: Blog: Easy Riser repair project

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon Jan 13, 2014 1:00 am

jcoyier wrote:Bob,
OK, I'd like to give this a shot since I've got a lot at stake if I screw up another "maiden" flight on my re-built Easy. I will take your advice on whether a Topic or Blog would work best. My preference would be to make it a Topic as long as that allows video links (which I think would be necessary for what this could become in terms of usefulness to new ER pilots).


I think that makes sense. Also, what we've been calling a "blog" is really just a regular topic with our own rules that grant the "blogger" some ability to control what actually appears in the topic.

jcoyier wrote:Assuming Topics allow for references to video links would you be willing to initiate the Topic? I'll post the first entry with a recount of my first attempted flight many years ago that resulted in this required re-build.


You should be able to initiate a topic on your own almost anywhere in the forum. You should see a "New Topic" button that looks like this:

New_Topic.png
New_Topic.png (96.76 KiB) Viewed 9446 times


If you don't see a button like that in the forum where you'd like to start a new topic, please let me know. That could happen if the "permissions" for your account were wrong, and that would be a mistake on my part. Otherwise, you should be able to start a new topic on any subject you like in almost any forum you like. In this case, I think it might be of general interest, so you might start it in the "Hang Gliding General" section and give it whatever title you think will best reflect your intended subject and also attract the kinds of people that you want to offer suggestions.

I hope that helps ... if not, please post again. :)
Join a National Hang Gliding Organization: US Hawks at ushawks.org
View my rating at: US Hang Gliding Rating System
Every human at every point in history has an opportunity to choose courage over cowardice. Look around and you will find that opportunity in your own time.
Bob Kuczewski
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 8371
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:40 pm
Location: San Diego, CA

Easy Riser project #14

Postby jcoyier » Fri Jul 18, 2014 10:07 pm

Bob,
Sorry for the long vacation..... I'm back at it again so if you could remind me what our process was I would appreciate it. I posted on Google Blogger (easyriser1@blogspot.com) and hope to get some video soon of my first flights. This update is a bit dry but I thought I needed to get this going again.
John


Easy Riser Repair #14

July 18, 2014

Basically at a standstill with the wing panels since last fall. I did attempt to correct the bubbles formed during the PolyBrush first coat. I used a rag soaked with Reducer and removed the PolyBrush in those areas. The bubbles were visibly reduced but not eliminated. I will need to recoat these areas or risk pinholes in the top color coat.

I completed the first prototype car-top carrier which is shown here, mounted on the cross members of my stock Honda roof rack. I've tried it out and it works as planned as a one-person process. I need to add a washout spacer so that all four points of the bottom panel are supported after loading the wing halves.

d154.jpg
d154.jpg (175.62 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


Ready to load wing panels (and, yes, I need that step stool to do this)

d155.jpg
d155.jpg (174.73 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


First panel loaded (leading edge first so that I can easily add a washout support block before closing the rack).

d156.jpg
d156.jpg (167.57 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


both wing sets loaded with the rack ends closed and locked. I may re-think this and load that upper wing trailing edge first to make a better windstream profile on the front end although this is only intended to be moved no more than about 20 mph....I'll have to see what it will stand. Most of the sites I would fly this at could be driven slow from the LZ to launch anyway so it shouldn't be a problem.

I did some hardware sourcing research this winter and finally got the rivnuts that are central to the quick setup design of the Easy Riser airframe. I aquired an airframe from a damaged Easy that had been exposed to saltwater and outside storage so the rivnuts were badly corroded. The stamped, stainless steel brackets looked great so I decided to attempt to replace one to see if I could do it.

D00002.jpg
D00002.jpg (32.85 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


I drilled out the old rivnut.

D00003.jpg
D00003.jpg (38.45 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


Some of these brackets had key slots stamped into the rivnut hole and others did not. This one did not and I ended up filing a notch to accommodate the key on the new rivnut (I ordered them all keyed since my only reference when I ordered where the brackets in my kit which were all keyed). You can see the key on this new rivnut prior to installation.

D00006.jpg
D00006.jpg (61.61 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


I will include a photo of the tool I assembled from parts bought at a local hardware store to install the rivnut when I find it again. It consisted of a collar with set screw, a spacer and a bolt....simple and cheap.

Here are the two rivnut sizes used in the Easy Riser. One is 0.5 inch and the other is .75 inch. I got them from e-aircraftsupply.com (Jaco aerospace Pasadena, CA). The manufacturer is Ramco Specialties, Inc., Hudson, Ohio. The part code numbers the industry uses for these things are:

    NAS# NAS1329C3K280, BFG# C10K-280, MS# MS27130-C29K
    NAS# NAS1329C3K130, BFG# C10K-130, MS# MS27130-C26K

The K130 being the short one and the K280 the ¾ inch barrel. Please note I DID NOT use the same material as the kits sold by UFM. I decided to order stainless steel vs plain steel which did not stand up well as you can see. I did not price the plain steel ones. The cost on the order I placed was $2.00 each for the short ones and $2.50 each for the long ones.

D00005.jpg
D00005.jpg (79.24 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


Here's a shot of the finished, newly installed rivnut using the homemade tool described above.

DSC00007.jpg
DSC00007.jpg (29.9 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


LEARNING TO FLY THE EASY RISER

It took me most of this spring to find a hill suitable for learning to fly the glider I inherited last fall from “Dr. Darrell” at Funston. The first one I came up with was across the road from our house. Here I am set up on the hill at this first site.

DSC00001.jpg
DSC00001.jpg (124.65 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


I got some runs in but the conditions were so restricted I never really had more than one session where the breeze was enough to help launch and from the right direction. After 3 days here and not really doing much beyond running the glider down the hill I started looking for a better site.

The next one I found was almost exactly 10 miles from the house and had a nice short little road right to launch. Here's a shot of the set up area and also a panorama showing the launchable directions this site offers.

8p9p10psmall.jpg
8p9p10psmall.jpg (72.39 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


DSC00001_2.jpg
DSC00001_2.jpg (110.67 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


This shot is off to the right side of the top with the Easy parked in the shade.

DSC00005.jpg
DSC00005.jpg (105.32 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


The range of open, launchable and landable directions go from ENE all the way around to due West which covers about 90 percent of our prevailing summer and fall wind directions. It's about 50-60 ft high and sloped at about 5:1 so it requires a launch run-stride to get airborn.

Here is a shot from near the base off on the east side. You can just see the Easy up there ready to be launched.

5p6p7stitch.jpg
5p6p7stitch.jpg (80.12 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


June24 5-6-7

The Easy aimed off to the NE waiting for a stronger cycle.

DSC00001_3.jpg
DSC00001_3.jpg (122.42 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


Me standing by waiting for a strong enough breeze to help me avoid pulling leg muscles running this thing off. This was my 3rd real working session.

D2.jpg
D2.jpg (136.95 KiB) Viewed 9034 times


Some things I've concluded so far:

1. I'm convinced that taking the time to find a REALLY EXCELLENT site to learn is time worth spending.
2. I wasn't running fast enough given my own restriction in how much of a breeze I was willing to practice in to get launched.
3. It was easy to fly the glider without enough speed to lift me and stop it on the hill by gently letting it pitch up into a soft flare. This gave me plenty of time to get used to controlling roll with the rudders.
4. All my hard stops (crashes) were a result of me trying to keep my feet from touching the ground thinking I could glide back up by picking up a bit more speed.
5. Once I decided to stop in a soft flare, I had to remember to rock the nose down a bit to avoid having the wing tail slide back and hit the trailing edges and rudders. In a flared position the glider is balance tail heavy and will come down hard unless you rotate the nose level and catch the glider.
6. I used shoulder straps and a loop around each hang tube to support the glider at about hip-height during my practice sessions. This made it much more comfortable to hang out, strapped in, while waiting for the right moment. I also am using a leg harness I made by taking an old swing seat harness and cutting off the plastic seat. My hang loop is off the top trailing edge and my feet come off the ground with the cage about level with the bottom of my ribs. I started out with it much higher, closer to my armpits, and it was too much of an effort to work the rudders like I felt I needed.
7. My best runs happened when I had a nice breeze, I'm guessing about 10mph. Just enough so that I still had complete control. Getting out there in 12-15 was sketchy. I weight about 140 so 170 sq ft of wing is a lot to keep under control.
8. Once in the air, pitch control did not seem to be difficult but I've only really got one, single flight to date.
9. Directional control seems to be very easy even at slow speeds.
10. I find it essential to stay completely on top of the rudders to keep the wings level and maintain a controlled ground track parallel with the wind direction.
11. If I find the direction has changed as I'm launching, I have been successful in using the rudders to bring the nose into the wind to adjust my ground track to the direction of flight even while just barely carrying my weight while striding down the hill.

I have yet to get someone out there to take photos/videos of launches or flying but will try to get that accomplished soon.
jcoyier
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:55 am
Location: Dallas, Oregon

Re: Blog: Easy Riser repair project

Postby Merlin » Fri Jul 25, 2014 9:02 pm

Great images on your training hill. Looking forward to your progress.
Merlin
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 85
Joined: Sun Mar 25, 2012 8:45 am

Re: Blog: Easy Riser repair project

Postby jcoyier » Wed Jul 30, 2014 11:20 pm

Easy Repair #15
Post #15

Finally got going on the build again but it will be tight this fall getting enough warm weather to paint before winter sets in. Rib stitching was the task I had been procrastinating over all summer and when I started my learning sessions on the inherited Easy, it really killed the re-build project. I used the modified Seine knot. I followed a good YouTube video from Cormanairpark that got me finally going on this task. Here's the link;
Cormanairpark Modified Seine knot

I abritrarily chose 3 inches as my spacing partly because I had to keep the fabric tension so low that I was concerned about airfoil deformation during flight. I don't recall what the plans called for but I believe it was more than that. The following shot shows the first panel I did after marking off the 3” lines using a chalk line.

p01_DSC00197.jpg
p01_DSC00197.jpg (64.86 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


This really made a mess and I marked the rest using a piece of 1 inch wide aluminum strip I got from the motorized parts kit. It was flexible and easy to hold down onto each rib and just mark each position with a pencil. I spent some time figuring out how I could mark out the bottom of each panel so that the stitching cord was close to perpendicular with the top rib cap strip. That way I got a nice, even 3-inch spacing on the top surface and let the bottom spacing vary to maintain the 90 degree angle with the cap strip. Just like the plans show, prop up the wing panel you are going to stitch on a couple of saw horses and go to it. I followed the Poly Fiber (or Stits) covering manual process pretty much to the letter on this. The second step (after marking out the spacing lines) was to apply the ½ inch tape which you see here.

p02_DSC00198.jpg
p02_DSC00198.jpg (52.78 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


The next thing was to take the needle and poke holes through the fabric on both sides of the rib right on the mark up spacing both top and bottom. Once that was done, I propped up the panel onto the saw horses and started the stitching process. I was able to do all the rib stitching with no help and it wasn't all that difficult, just tedious. The hard part was getting the knot good and tight before going to the next knot. I untied many knots that I wasn't satisfied were tight enough to suit me and this really slowed things down. A couple times I broke the cord halfway through the rib and chose to splice it using a water knot (this can be found in most rock climbing books) rather than start the rib over again. I found it fairly easy to tear the fabric with the cord when I wasn't being careful during the knot tightening part. I had to be very careful of the direction I was pulling during knot tensioning.

p03_DSC00199.jpg
p03_DSC00199.jpg (83.06 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


Once I finished all the panels I wiped down each stitch using the Poly Fiber R65-75 Reducer solvent. Depending on the batch, the wax can be very thick on the flat stitching cord and it ends up all balled up right on the knot. You won't get it all off and it didn't mess up my paint job as I found out later so don't sweat this too much, just give it a wipe down. The next shot shows me using 3 parts Poly Brush to 1 part R65-75 Reducer to saturate the sticky back cloth tape applied over the rib cap strips. The Poly Fiber manual says it normally takes 4 coats to “fill” the tape with Poly Brush. I thought this was excessive and then found out that 4 coats was just about right.

p04_DSC00201.jpg
p04_DSC00201.jpg (55.84 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


p05_DSC00202.jpg
p05_DSC00202.jpg (33.25 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


Now you have to start thinking about how you want your taping to come out. I ran a 1 ½ inch tape over the stitched ribs but stopped short at both ends which made it tough to cover with a leading edge tape or trailing edge tape. You decide here what you want to do. I used an 1 ½ inch wide brush in applying the Poly Brush pre-coat doing half the rib.

p06_DSC00203.jpg
p06_DSC00203.jpg (41.34 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


Now the tape goes down.

p07_DSC00204.jpg
p07_DSC00204.jpg (37.52 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


Working fast here....you need it to completely wet out the cover tape.

p08_DSC00205.jpg
p08_DSC00205.jpg (40.52 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


This shot shows me after I top coated the first half and completely wet through the first half of the tape. I'm now doing the second half pre-coat.

p09_DSC00206.jpg
p09_DSC00206.jpg (45.22 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


Finishing this rib up by going over the tape and pressing it into the wet Poly Brush.

p10_DSC00207.jpg
p10_DSC00207.jpg (42.52 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


I didn't hesitate to add a little more Poly Brush as I was doing this. The idea is to get the tape wetted completely through without adding any more Poly Brush than you have to in order to accomplish this.

Next, I turned my RV shed into a paint booth. Here's the results of the first spray coat of Poly Brush.

p11_DSC00208.jpg
p11_DSC00208.jpg (99.29 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


I borrowed an HVLP turbine from the EAA club nearby but bought my own gun. I could have borrowed the gun also and actually did for the first panel of Poly Brush. I then reverted to the gun I'd bought which I felt I had more adjustment with. I just followed the Poly Fiber manual on this and it was fairly easy except for the leading and trailing edges. It was really touchy keeping these areas from forming drip lines. When this happened, I had a 2 inch brush handy in a jar of R65-75 Reducer and I quickly brushed any drips away. This worked well as long as I was very conservative on the amount of reducer on the brush. I ended up with some contamination streaked areas in spots that would not take the Poly Brush. After freaking out, I decided to wipe those areas clean right down to the cloth and then re-brush and then re-spray. I got the areas to “take” but you could easily see the brush marks left even after the final color coats. I believe this must have been something on the rag I used to wipe down the panels since they had been brush coated nearly a year ago. Once I got the panels all coated with a couple of passes of Poly Brush and was convinced they were sealed, I went on to apply the Poly Tone color coat. I was surprised at how much I had to apply to cover the pink Poly Brush (I used a white color coat). It turned out I really couldn't see what I was doing in this shed so I added 8 four foot dual tube flourescent shop lights and hung them with about 3 feet of clearance over the panels. What a difference! I ended up doing a second session and getting the panels I didn't quite get covered the first time. The keys here were;

a) spend most of the time doing a good job masking (the paint will go EVERYWHERE)
b) use multiple light passes on the leading and trailing edges to avoid runs
c) you can't have too much light.


I didn't get any photos of the white base coat but one of the issues was getting even coverage. Since the idea here is to put as little paint on as is needed to just cover the panel and no more. This stuff addes weight but you'd be amazed at how hard it is to get enough on to completely cover the pink Poly Brush. I tried both chord-wise passes with the gun and span-wise passes and really had no preference in results although it was much less tiring to go span-wise. I found that aiming the center of the nozzle right at the line of the last pass gave me the right amount of overlap to avoid serious banding. It just takes practice.
Once the base coat was on I started masking the next day for the accent color stripes. Here's where you'd better be real careful about COMPLETELY and I mean COMPLETELY mask off where you don't want to have paint going where you don't intend it to. I've already shot the red accent and this is the gold going down last.

p12_DSC00001.jpg
p12_DSC00001.jpg (63.26 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


Remove the masking and we have.......

p13_DSC00002.jpg
p13_DSC00002.jpg (59.32 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


Looks good to me!

I didn't find it necessary to mask the bottom of the panel off entirely when I applied the red stripe on the top surface and when I flipped the panel to mask the bottom side, found a nice, ugly mist of red way out on the main, perfectly painted white base coat surface. Great!, re-mask the entire bottom of the panel and re-set up for a second session of white base coat, etc., etc......shot a day on this little error.

p14_DSC00003.jpg
p14_DSC00003.jpg (24.81 KiB) Viewed 8877 times



Some thoughts;
Spend the money and get the good masking tape. I found that 3M Vinyl Tape 471+ works and will give you good, sharp lines. With all the effort this takes, using this quality of tape on all your actual lines will be worth the cost. Use that blue stuff used for home painting walls , etc. on all the other areas where you are not painting against it. I used the blue stuff (Blokit or Frog tape) on my actual lines and got bleed through. If you were really diligent about going over every inch of the line with adequate pressure to get a 100% seal, you might get by. I was being careful and got a significant amount of bleed anyway. Use a ¼ or ½ inch vinyl tape on the line and then use the blue cheaper stuff to tape to that.

Next I will shoot the bottom of the bottom two panels. You can be darn sure I'll have the top surface COMPLETELY masked off tight after what happened doing the top surface. If I had this to do over again, I'd mask the entire wing off for red and paint both sides since my plan was to do the same pattern on top and bottom of each of the lower wing panels. This would have eliminated the overspray issue I created and also been more efficient use of a spray day. I just wasn't confident of the process or technique and didn't want to risk the entire paint job without knowing it would work OK.
I've already found out through experience that using standard 3M blue painters tape can still be easily removed after two weeks. I did this in a heated space where I store the wings which may have helped keep the tape pliable. This is really important otherwise going on advice from the EAA guy, he'd have me remove it within a couple hours after painting which would mean I'd have to mask right before I paint and then get it off right away. Two concerns he mentioned were having issues removing tape from a painted surface and having the paint pull up along the edge but he also had never tried to leave the tape on for any length of time. I saw neither issue at two weeks. In fact, there was no hint of an issue. I'm inclined to believe I could leave the masking job on the wing for several weeks at least while waiting for a good day warm enough to paint now that winter has settled in here. What that means is that I can (and will) mask everything now and then paint when I get a good day where the temps get above 55 F. Yesterday I painted with a temp of 56 -57F and raining some with no issues. This shot shows me finishing up masking for the underside of one of the bottom wing panels. The top is all done.

p15_D4.jpg
p15_D4.jpg (51.19 KiB) Viewed 8877 times


Notice that the 1/4 inch tape line is the 3M vinyl stuff I mentioned which will define the boundary of the red field I will shoot next. I'll move the paper up to the 1/4 inch tape and then use the blue stuff to tape to it. Also notice that I'm not going to use the vinyl tape to mask off where the gold will go down after I finish the red. What I ran there was 1 1/2 inch painters masking tape. Since this is the bottom of the panel, I figured it wasn't worth running two lines of the vinyl since no one but pilots below me looking up will ever see this side.
Still haven't decided on what I'm going to do with the top wing panels. If I do the same pattern, it's gonna add more weight but if I don't I think it's going to look cheezy. Decisions, decisions...... It will be a miracle if I get enough weather to get this all painted without having to wait until next spring now. We're really settled in with rain and cold weather here in Oregon already. Anyone out there want to volunteer use of their heated paint booth?
jcoyier
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 74
Joined: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:55 am
Location: Dallas, Oregon

PreviousNext
Forum Statistics

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest

Options

Return to Blog Forum