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Re: Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Postby Bill Cummings » Sun Sep 28, 2014 1:02 pm

9/28/2014
Lois Preston 16 dies in first solo HG flight was proficient paraglider pilot.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... light.html



2014

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/national/3162 ... egulations
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http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2011/1 ... -milpitas/
http://www.issaquahpress.com/2011/08/09 ... -mountain/

http://www.xcmag.com/2011/07/tragedy-hi ... hips-2011/


More information on the above report.
A good life. A snapshot of Eitel's Facebook photo page reveals his passions – diving and flying.
Two pilots died yesterday, Eitel von Muhlenbrock from Chile, and Francisco Vargas from Argentina. Image: XCmag - See more at:
http://www.xcmag.com/2011/07/paraglidin ... 4bXvx.dpuf
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Re: Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Postby Rick Masters » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:08 am

HG fatality #248 Lois Preston
PG fatality #980 Francisco "Tato" Vargas
PG fatality #981 Eitel von Muhlenbrock

These global tallies are underestimates beginning in the year of the first PG fatality - 1986.
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Re: Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Postby Bill Cummings » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:11 pm

Crippling PG accident. Broken back, loss of lower left leg, broken pelvics, broke all bones in right foot, more--
A comment left on youtube link (below link)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xughC9wlNo
MRM
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I broke my back, pelvis, lost 90 percent of my blood, lost a leg, fractured every bone in my right foot.
I had a fatal error with my wing when it decided to move infront of me while ridge soaring. What resulted
was a 3 hour rescue and a miracle survival. I will warn others wherever I can as I was a good pilot, cautious,
intermediate hours.
Also:
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+okezsoke I thought that too. It wasn't deemed pilot error, not a stall of any kind due to the wing's behaviour.
I since found out numerous people have crashed at my exact location in the past. Look up dramatic paragliuder
rescue warriewood which is in Australia. I was flying in light conditions, other pilot were flying. Coastal
ridge soaring, Here's an excerpt from the report "During the turn the wing surged forward and continued to
turn towards the cliff an approx turn of 270 degrees. The wing hit the cliff almost front on and the pilot
then pendulumed underneath into the vertical cliff face. The wing luckily caught on the surrounding shrubs
and after the impact the pilot was left dangling. The pilot sustained serious leg, pelvis and back injuries".

More on above:

Paraglider Mat McHugh on Triple M (Youtube)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_CH40bvFvg

I'm not sure that the link below is of the same accident above or a different one.
http://video.au.msn.com/watch/video/par ... sh/xo9klvi
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Re: Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Postby Rick Masters » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:01 pm

I was a good pilot, cautious...


Horrific.

The thing is, when we fly hang gliders or other airframed aircraft, and we take off well and we fly well and we land well, then we can think of ourselves as good pilots. And we are. Our airframed aircraft carry us safely from launch to landing. Even when we screw up and prang in, we usually get away with it because the structure of the airframe takes the blow. (Next time you do that BTW, quickly feel the bent or broken metal - It's hot! But just for a moment because aluminum dissipates heat really well. That heat energy came from the forward motion, the kinetic energy, of your real aircraft. It slowed you down and saved your a** by turning your velocity into heat.) But don't try this in a paraglider. You can get hurt. Really, really hurt because there is nothing to protect you. Nothing.

So this poor guy gets talked into flying paragliders by soaring parachutists who disdain hang gliders. He's all proud of himself for being a good pilot when he's only just been lucky and dodged turbulence. Then turbulence finds him and his stupid bag goes crazy and slings him into the ground like a dope on a rope. Does he realize he went from being "a good pilot" to a helpless falling human in a split second?

Hang glider pilots don't do this. They don't suddenly fall to their deaths or become cripples in an instant. They at least are allowed to fight for their lives. Adam Parer is a good example. He almost made it. He was FLYING up to the end. He was recovering from the dive. He died as a pilot, fighting to the end, and he earned and deserves our respect. It is a type of heroism that hang glider pilots understand.

But there is nothing like this in paragliding. There is no heroism because a soaring parachutist usually doesn't die as a pilot. He dies just like any other falling human. He gains velocity with the acceleration of gravity minus some insignificant drag and goes splat and dies or ends up horribly maimed and crippled just like any other falling human who never had any intention of flying.

Because they are nothing but falling humans, they are not pilots and SHOULD EARN NO RESPECT from real pilots. Real pilots fight to the end. These soaring parachutists do deserve our pity, however, because such terrible suffering is difficult to witness or even learn about. Even though they brought it upon themselves, even though they were witless fools who imagined that their dangerously-modified parachutes were somehow equivalent to real aircraft, they deserve our pity. BUT WHY MUST THIS BE ENDLESS? Why must the numbers grow so large and never stop? What the hell is going on?
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Re: Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Postby wingspan33 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 10:22 pm

Rick Master's wrote:
Why must the numbers grow so large and never stop? What the hell is going on?


It's all about selling "easy freedom". It's about marketers lulling people into a false sense of security and continuing to sell their (very profitable) product. They have, and hold, the high ground because they have all the pretty pictures in (once) Hang Gliding magazine. And, for a good while now, how many other free flight soaring publications around the world?

Somebody figured out how much certain people craved having the freedom to enter the sky with what was, once upon a time, only air framed hang gliders. This somebody had a parafoil wing that was lighter, easier to begin learning on, as well as easier to store and transport. It could be "pushed" as safer (to the gullible ignorant) than the well known to be dangerous "hang glider". They could have these canopies sewn up in third world countries for next to nothing and sold at retail markup for a 300 - 500% profit over their cost. It was a gold mine ripe for the picking as long as the myth, that, having evolved from a fundamental aviation safety device, it would always be safer compared to one of those historically proven death traps (i.e., hang gliders). Inflatable canopy marketers figured out how to make a myth of easy freedom out of whole cloth (literally).

Rick, the only way to beat them at their own game is to "mass market" the truth. A serious documentary film including material such as interviews with (more or less healthy) soaring parachute collapse victims and/or those they have left behind. Obviously, it would begin with a little (very authentic) history and then work its way into the revealing of the sales hype/myth. Honesty would be critical. Include interviews with active soaring parachute occupants detailing how much they focus on deflations, then interviews with hang glider pilots asking how they deal with deflations (Oh, . . . wait, they never occur in hang gliders??!!). Cut to sections where a narrator reads news reports on PG collapses, injuries and fatalities. Explain, as has been the subject of the last few posts here, how a soaring sport aircraft that includes an air frame can reduce injuries and death. A person simply can't fly a crumpled up piece of cloth.

Heck, much of the audio commentary for such a documentary could be taken straight from this blog!

If something like this were done at all, a quality job should be done. The project could/should be entered into one or more major film festivals such as Sundance.

I think that one of the ways to save hang gliding is to tell our TRUE story as well. That could easily be done in the process of such a documentary.

Time to start raising money and finding a director. I wonder if Ken Burns is available? :shh:
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Re: Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Postby Rick Masters » Tue Sep 30, 2014 9:22 am

Time to start raising money...


There is no market.
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Re: Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Postby Bill Cummings » Tue Sep 30, 2014 2:26 pm

http://www.dailyunion.com/news/article_ ... f6878.html
Minnesota man killed in hang-gliding accident Monday Sept. 29, 2014 At Cold Spring
north of Whitewater. Upon landing after Aero-towing --crashed.
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Re: Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Postby wingspan33 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:28 pm

RickMasters wrote:
Time to start raising money...


There is no market.


First off, documentaries are not made to be marketed. They are made to inform, teach, educate.

Besides, if someone came to you 35 years ago and said: "I have this ram air parafoil that can be soared!" You would have probably said: "There's no market."

Hey, there was no market for seat belts until Ralf Nader came along.

On second thought, scary stories about dangerous stuff will ALWAYS sell. Something about the morbid side of human nature.
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Re: Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Postby wingspan33 » Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:51 pm

billcummings wrote:http://www.dailyunion.com/news/article_bb5398ec-48b0-11e4-9cc3-001a4bcf6878.html
Minnesota man killed in hang-gliding accident Monday Sept. 29, 2014 At Cold Spring
north of Whitewater. Upon landing after Aero-towing --crashed.


There is something that doesn't sound right about this accident. The pilot hit "wind shear" at 100 feet? The glider pitched sideways, nose dived and violently flipped over . . .

Too bad there isn't more to the report. You'd think that if there was such low altitude turbulence that it wouldn't have been a good day for towing. Then again, if it was turbulent (i.e., thermally), why didn't (couldn't) the pilot stay up for more than the time taken for a glide down from 2K?

Is any analysis wanted here Rick, or just accident/fatality reporting? Honestly wondering.
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Re: Rick Masters: Superiority of Hang Gliders

Postby Rick Masters » Wed Oct 01, 2014 2:35 am

Is any analysis wanted here...


The press often say the paraglider flew into an "air hole" or "vacuum pocket." You can't expect them to understand. I laughed when I saw "wind shear." A thermal at landing is a kind of shear but usually no cause for concern if you land hot.

It looks like Joe Julik bought himself his first topless HG. Then on his first flight, on approach, he rotated at 100 feet and stalled. Nosedived. Something about hitting a parked aircraft. Head injuries. Died at the scene. Maybe we'll learn more.

Hard for me to understand. Maybe the hang point was off. Maybe the glider was too slippery for Joe and he overshot. A forum said he rotated at 100 feet. Back in the day, I always burned in, bled off speed, rotated at 10 feet, high-flared parachutal and dropped in one motion on my fastest ships, planting the bar on the ground. They were most controllable prone. I preferred a more aggressive flare to floundering around low thinking more drag would help. And I suspect my high density altitude afternoon landings in the Owens were more difficult than landing a modern topless on a late morning in late September in Minnesota.

...documentaries are not made to be marketed.


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