Personal Journals about Hang Gliding

Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Harry » Tue May 17, 2016 9:22 pm

Rick Masters wrote:One can make a comparison between the conditions of instability a soaring parachutist is willing to fly in and the displacement of the motorcycle a rider is willing to drive.
The fatality rate goes up dramatically for soaring parachutists who dare instable conditions as does the rate for motorcyclists on more powerful bikes.
It is clear that in each sport, there is a subset of participants who represent the likeliest casualties.
In motorcycling, the distinction is made obvious to each rider by the stepped liability insurance rates based on displacement.
However, in freeflight, there is no distinction made at all. Liability insurance is the same, regardless of the type of aircraft, areas or conditions flown.
This allows some proponents to claim that their segment of the sport is safer than it actually is by averaging in safer segments often unrelated by wing type or level of risk.
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810606.pdf
See page 19


Sorry, I don't consider motorcycling a sport. I ride a Kawasaki Concours 14 (1400 CC), a big a** bike. I feel safer on that than a smaller bike, cause where I live, small bikes get blown off the road by wind and collisions with wildlife. My understanding is that more smaller sport bikes (crotch rockets) get wiped out over bigger bikes from lack of rider/driver training. I get certified every year whether I need to or not. It's cheap and fun refresher training. I don't see how hang gliding or paragliding can be even remotely compared to motorcycling.

The other problem we have here is the danger from uneducated car drivers. Wyoming has one of the highest risk factors for teenage drivers. I'm living proof of that. A few weeks ago, an 18 year old girl in a rush to pick up her kid, risked everything to cross heavy traffic during rush hour. Her lack of skills and judgement resulted in her stomping the gas pedal to cross the street at the wrong time, meeting me. All I saw was a blur, then three airbags going off in my face because the collision system in my car detected the crash before I did. I had just enough time to hit the brakes out of instinct. Had I not hit my brakes, I'd be dead now. My car was totaled and I suffered minor head injuries. Now, had I been on any size motorcycle when that happened, I would have been flattened for sure.

Point is, the chart doesn't show what size bike, what driver training, weather conditions, etc. are responsible for those deaths. So many variables, not enough info in my opinion. Here in Wyoming, many deaths are attributed to drivers falling asleep at the wheel, and many more unexplained. Many head-ons from drifting over the line into another lane, cars and motorcycles.

In all my years of flying hang gliders, I always felt safer flying in my glider than driving my car or motorcycle.
Harry Martin
Fear is not boring, the stupid shall be punished
Harry
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 68
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:17 am
Location: Wild and windy Casper, Wyoming

Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Rick Masters » Tue May 17, 2016 10:03 pm

Biggest bike I ever had was a '48 panhead with springer forks and a suicide clutch in 1968.
A bottle of whiskey would blow that thing over.
It was all sport for me, back then. Sport Death.
the chart doesn't show what size bike

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810606.pdf
See page 19
Rick Masters
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 3260
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:11 am

Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Harry » Wed May 18, 2016 5:54 am

Rick Masters wrote:Biggest bike I ever had was a '48 panhead with springer forks and a suicide clutch in 1968.
A bottle of whiskey would blow that thing over.
It was all sport for me, back then. Sport Death.
the chart doesn't show what size bike

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/810606.pdf
See page 19


That's what I'm missing, a bottle of whiskey!
Harry Martin
Fear is not boring, the stupid shall be punished
Harry
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 68
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2015 7:17 am
Location: Wild and windy Casper, Wyoming

Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Bill Cummings » Wed May 18, 2016 10:41 am

NHTSA’s National Center for Statistics and Analysis 400 Seventh Street SW., Washington, DC 20590
INTRODUCTION
More than 125,000 motorcycle riders have died in traffic crashes since the enactment of
the Highway Safety Act of 1966 and The National Traffic and Motor Vehicle Safety Act
of 1966.
:shock:
Bill Cummings
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 3359
Joined: Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:20 pm
Location: Las Cruces NM 88005 (Region 4)

Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby eagle » Sat May 21, 2016 8:47 am

Hey Everybody Look at Me
~ Going Cross Country ~

Crossing the Line.jpg
Crossing the Line.jpg (40.88 KiB) Viewed 5650 times
eagle
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 1061
Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:58 pm

Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Rick Masters » Sat May 21, 2016 9:22 am

Image
Then suddenly, turbulence!
"If only I had gone to Dockweiler like the other turtles..."
Rick Masters
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 3260
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:11 am

Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat May 21, 2016 11:03 am

Rick Masters wrote:Image
Then suddenly, turbulence!
"If only I had gone to Dockweiler like the other turtles..."


:srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl: :srofl:

Those are poor representations of the desk shaking, monitor wiggling, neighbor annoying laughter that just came out of me.

Nicely done Eagle and Rick!!!!    :lol:

I'm sure it didn't go unnoticed that this mishap would have been much worse ... without an airframe.    ;)
Join a National Hang Gliding Organization: US Hawks at ushawks.org
View my rating at: US Hang Gliding Rating System
Every human at every point in history has an opportunity to choose courage over cowardice. Look around and you will find that opportunity in your own time.
Bob Kuczewski
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 8374
Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 2:40 pm
Location: San Diego, CA

Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Rick Masters » Sat May 21, 2016 5:55 pm

Image
Disregarding the voices of reason, he leapt into the void...
Rick Masters
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 3260
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:11 am

Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Rick Masters » Sun May 22, 2016 10:30 am

Four soaring parachutists killed so far this weekend.
All appear to be from collapse incidents. Stupid.
Rick Masters
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 3260
Joined: Fri Jul 15, 2011 5:11 am

Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby eagle » Sun May 22, 2016 11:59 am

~ There's a Risk and a Reward to Many things in Life ~

Power of Nature.jpg
Power of Nature.jpg (9.32 KiB) Viewed 5613 times
eagle
User avatar
Contributor
Contributor
 
Posts: 1061
Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 12:58 pm

PreviousNext
Forum Statistics

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 7 guests

Options

Return to Blog Forum