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| Author: | JoeF [ Mon Jan 12, 2015 6:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Torrey Pines historical notes. Historical site and boundary |
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| Author: | magentabluesky [ Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:22 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Torrey Pines historical notes. Historical site and bound |
Another book on gliding at Torrey Pines by Gary B. Fogel is "The Torrey Pines Gliderport" Google Book preview: The Torrey Pines Gliderport |
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| Author: | Bob Kuczewski [ Wed Jan 14, 2015 2:38 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Torrey Pines historical notes. Historical site and bound |
All I can say is that Gary Fogel has not been a friend to hang gliding at Torrrey Pines. He restarted the Soaring Council with 3 RC clubs (which is fine) and 2 sailplane clubs (which is fine), but at the same time he insisted that 2 clubs was sufficient for both sports of hang gliding and paragliding - combined!! Gary also lied to me when we applied to the Soaring Council in the fall of 2007. He incorrectly stated that the Soaring Council bylaws wouldn't permit them to vote on our club at that meeting. At first I thought it was just an oversight, but then he wouldn't allow it to be voted on the next meeting either, or the one after that, or the one after that .... |
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| Author: | JoeF [ Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Torrey Pines historical notes. Historical site and bound |
http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/aviation/tor.htm deserves study. Historical uses of beach and cliffs help to form a public expectation. |
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| Author: | Rick Masters [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 9:34 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Torrey Pines historical notes. Historical site and bound |
I think a lot of sailplane pilots think of hang gliders as parachutes with sticks. That was understandable when you look back at the early days, especially at Torrey Pines where conflicts developed between the hang gliding mania and the established disciplines of sailplanes and RC modellers. But it was regrettable the Soaring Society of America did not officially take hang gliding under its wings when we started breaking 200 miles distance in the 1980s. Those flights exceeded the accomplishments of the very best high-performance sailplanes of the middle 1930s. Lori Judy and I were the chase crew for the first 221-mile hang gliding flight in July, 1983. I wrote up the flight for submission to SSA Soaring but received the manuscript back, refused, with the following note: Dear Rick: Thanks for thinking of Soaring with the piece on Larry Tudor's flight. While I agree with the desirability of contacts between all manner of soaring activities, I think this piece really belongs in a hang gliding publication rather than in Soaring. I tend to get a little hesitant about printing accounts in which FAR violations are routine, and I gather that in this sort of flying it is considered normal to fly at altitude without oxygen for hours at a time. Aside from being extremely cold, that is also extremely risky and I would judge that Larry Tudor is lucky to have survived it. I am quite familiar with the area around Austin and the Reese River valley, having lived there in 1945 and shot rabbits by the pickup load in the valley, so I could follow his route with interest. No way to belittle it; it was a hell of a flight. It is worth mentioning that not too long ago it would have been considered a hell of a flight for a high performance sailplane. Thanks for letting us see it. Sincerely, Robert N. Said, Editor* Of course, I was not aware of any FAR violations in Larry Tudor's flight. There were none. Editor Bob Said's elitist attitude was a reflection of the arm's-length policy of the SSA, established in the 1970s due to the high fatality rate and bad press of early hang gliding. I am certain, however, that the founders and early principals of the SSA would have embraced modern hang gliders with open arms, had they appeared upon the scene in the 1930s, because the stated purpose of the association was to foster the growth of soaring, not a particular type of aircraft. And the holy grail was distance achieved without an engine. Tudor's flight, had it taken place in the early days of soaring, would have stood as the world's longest gliding flight until July 28, 1934, when Heini Dittmar established a world record distance of 375 kilometers (234.5 miles) with a flight from Germany's Wasserkuppe to Gitschin, Czechoslovakia. * Rick Masters, “Racing for the Record” Rick Masters, "Whole Air Magazine" -- USA, Sept/Oct 1983 Rick Masters, "Wings" -- United Kingdom, October 1983 Rick Masters, "Drachenflieger" -- Germany, November 1983 Rick Masters, "HanGlider" -- Japan, December 1983 Rick Masters, "Glider Rider" -- USA, December 1983 https://web.archive.org/web/20110902024 ... racing.htm |
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| Author: | JoeF [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Torrey Pines historical notes. Historical site and bound |
Today's SSA site http://www.ssa.org/WhatIsSoaring wrote: To fly as the hawk and eagle has been mankind's dream for centuries. Modern sailplanes make soaring flight possible, and with them humans can fly higher, faster, and farther than the greatest of birds, using only an invisible force of nature to stay aloft.
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| Author: | dhmartens [ Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:43 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Torrey Pines historical notes. Historical site and bound |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camp_Callan   Obama could convert it back by making it a national monument. BTW I can post again at shga.com so JoeF is next in line to be voted out, as seniority would suggest. Doug |
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| Author: | Bob Kuczewski [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Torrey Pines historical notes. Historical site and bound |
That is some neat history. I keep looking at that map trying to align it with the cliff as I know it today. I can't seem to make it fit. A better image might help, but maybe the cliff itself has changed that much? Thanks for posting. I'm glad you're back at the SHGA. In fact, I've been meaning to post a note about the upcoming Otto meet there. Maybe I'll do it now... |
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| Author: | dhmartens [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 7:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Torrey Pines historical notes. Historical site and bound |
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| Author: | dhmartens [ Sat Apr 25, 2015 8:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Torrey Pines historical notes. Historical site and bound |
Thanks Bob. I've been trying to overlay 2 maps of the Glider port and googlemap and it is very close, partial or total overlap. https://plus.google.com/114826559961200 ... l=en&gl=us note: the google review: ""Killed glider pilot." 3 reviewers" |
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