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Re: Why there isn't any growth in hang gliding

Postby Bill Cummings » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:02 pm

Looks like some of the pilots posting at the OZ Report are starting to see the light with the way the USHPA is running things.
For those that aren't able to get past the password here is an attempt (Copy/Past) of what I'm reading.
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Post Small Instructor Support Program Mon, Feb 20 2017, 6:20:13 am
From the Foundation for Free Flight

http://www.ushgf.org/2017FFFISP.html

As a result of the new RRG Insurance program adopted by USHPA this year USHPA, PASA, and FFF have seen an adverse effect developing in free flight sport. Small, quality schools for free flight instruction typically run by one instructor schools are being impacted by the RRG implementation that threatens their capacity and drive to remain free flight instructors and keep their schools open.

As a supporter and partner in the RRG insurance movement, the FFF is interested in developing a instructor support program to assist helping struggling solo hang gliding and paragliding instructors. It's goal is to maintain a small instructor friendly environment and encourage solo instructors and small schools to participate in the USHPA's RRG insurance program in 2017 despite its operational procedures and costs that are now being put on them.

1. The program would pay out $500 to qualified USHPA instructors starting as soon as possible after February or March 2017.

2. Small USHPA schools or solo instructors must be certified by PASA and applying but not necessarily yet accepted by the USHPA's RRG insurance program to qualify for FFF grants.

3. Grants will be awarded from the FFF Safety and Ed Fund, which is one of the CORE funds in the FFF.

4. The FFF will payout a maximum of $33,000 toward this program in 2017. Actual payout totals will be based on numbers of applicants and financial need.

5. Instructors will be asked submit new FFF grant request form for this program that provides FFF with information about their eligibility and need. This program description and the new grant application form will be available on the FFF website in February. Grant request submissions are to be sent to the FFF Executive Director where they will be forwarded to the FFF Grant Committee for review.

6. Decisions to award or not to award will be at the discretion of FFF Grant Committee, which oversees FFF grant requests and finally voted on by the FFF Board.

PROGRAM FUNDING APPROACH:

Flat $500 Award Model:

A flat $500 award to any qualified instructor or small school that applies. This covers an instructor's or small school's $300 PASA application fee plus and additional $200 of additional funding for other various expenses they have.
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Post Re: Small Instructor Support Program Mon, Feb 20 2017, 10:08:22 am
WOW, this is COOL!

Way to DO something about the issue rather than just complain about it.

What are the annual certification/insurance costs that a solo instructor school has?
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Post Re: Small Instructor Support Program Mon, Feb 20 2017, 10:45:29 am
As a supporter and partner in the RRG insurance movement, the FFF is interested in developing a instructor support program to assist helping struggling solo hang gliding and paragliding instructors. It's goal is to maintain a small instructor friendly environment and encourage solo instructors and small schools to participate in the USHPA's RRG insurance program in 2017 despite its operational procedures and costs that are now being put on them.

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.ph ... 811#392811
davisstraub:
RRRG.

Please, let's get this right for once.

At least we could come to an agreement on one thing.

This does not bode well. As a supporter, partner and apparent founder, they still don't know the name.Razz
https://recreationrrg.com/rrrg-our-story
Recreation Risk Retention Group, Inc. was formed in 2016 by the United States Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association, Inc., The Foundation for Free Flight, The Professional Air Sports Association, and several Hang Gliding and Paragliding Flight Schools, to protect free flight everywhere.
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Post Re: Small Instructor Support Program Mon, Feb 20 2017, 12:18:29 pm
The Oz Report:
…This covers an instructor's or small school's $300 PASA application fee plus and additional $200 of additional funding for other various expenses they have.


so is the $300 app fee on top of the insurance costs on this chart?

BTW - the teaching days calculation is not straight forward as it counts the higher of students per day or number of days up to a limit. so if you have 4 students, in one day its 4 days, if you have one student 4 days, its 4 days. - fully explained here - http://www.pasaschools.org/small-school-info/

http://www.pasaschools.org/wp-content/u ... MATRIX.jpg
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Post I totally support this… Mon, Feb 20 2017, 5:36:04 pm
…but the fact is, the GOOD, lone wolf instructor will pass on this as well and just stick with what "we've" done all along. Learn from a good, local pilot via barter and love of the sport and maybe a little dough. It's the only way free flight has survived around here for decades. Hasn't killed anyone yet… Twisted Evil Actually seems to be helping of late. YMMV.

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Post Re: Small Instructor Support Program Mon, Feb 20 2017, 6:28:55 pm
Also I'm unclear about:

PASA on its info page indicates its small business program is to facilitate/provide insurance for schools for which it is not economically feasible to go direct to the RRRG.

On the info page from this FFF grant on "how it works" they have this statement which indicates applicants would be applying to the RRRG…which seems counter to the PASA small school objective.

2. Small USHPA schools or solo instructors must be certified by PASA and applying but not
necessarily yet accepted by the USHPA’s RRRG insurance program to qualify for FFF grants.
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Post Re: Small Instructor Support Program Mon, Feb 20 2017, 7:00:09 pm
In the 80s and 90s, I ran a small hang gliding school at Warren Dunes, Michigan. Just me, teaching on a sand dune, max of 6 students a day, sometimes just one. From what I can make of this chart, which is not the easiest to figure, I would never have been able to afford, let alone make a profit from, teaching at those volumes, even with that $500 "grant".

35 years ago, I learned to fly from a one person hang gliding school. Many areas of this country that are great for flying cannot support a big school. The RRRG may help us in the short run, but it's cost on instruction may kill hang gliding in the long term.
I have from time to time scared myself. Even at the height of my powers, I was not in good health. But a furious metabolism preserves my physique, and I am considered a tribute to evil living. - Thomas McGuane, Panama
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New post Re: Small Instructor Support Program Wed, Feb 22 2017, 3:56:17 pm
Andrew Vanis:
What are the annual certification/insurance costs that a solo instructor school has?

Bump…

If I wanted to get into the HG instruction business, what would I be looking at as annual costs?
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New post Re: Small Instructor Support Program Wed, Feb 22 2017, 7:50:45 pm
An instructor I know told me it would cost him $1800 to meet PASA and RRRG requirements.
Like RM said: Hang gliding isn't dying out it's being murdered!
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Re: Why there isn't any growth in hang gliding

Postby Rick Masters » Wed Feb 22, 2017 11:38 pm

Why would a lone wolf hang gliding instructor even want to be involved with the USHPA?
Involvement with USHPA destroys any financial incentive.
And the FFF dilutes any assistance it could provide to hang gliding with support for paragliding.
So what slice of that $33,000 would go to paragliding? $29,000 or the like, I'd think.
Murder or suicide, the victim's still dead.

NOTE: My friends taught me to fly for free.
All my money went for equipment.
If I had it to do over again, I would definitely go that route.
All this external crap reminds me of Obamacare.
The old ways worked better.
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