US Hawks Hang Gliding Association

This topic contains quotes and responses from the Oz Forum topic titled "Dockweiler insurance extended" at: http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43744

Davis Straub:

Jeez, Bob, just leave it right there. You can do the rest of your responses on your forum. You're testing my patience.

I'm going to respond here on my forum, Bob can respond to me on his.

1) Bob has not provided any evidence to regarding any claims. Yes, I assume that it is difficult to provide such evidence, but no one can take his statement on face value without evidence. (Bob, if you are going to provide such evidence, do it on your forum).

2) Speculation. We have no evidence of any settlements and we have no idea what if anything First Flight has had to pay.

3) Hang gliding insurance in Australia is much more expensive than here in the US. Who knows how much we have to pay to cover whatever losses our insurance company has to deal with. Again, no evidence is provided.

4) I have no idea what the situation is at any of the USHPA insured sites. I assume that Torrey Pines is required by the city to have commercial business insurance and I assume that they get that through Flight Flight. But these are assumptions. I don't have the evidence and no one has provided it.

5) I do not know what the USHPA regulations require with respect to any over site over a business that has commercial insurance. I assume none. There is no evidence being provided that they have a role to play with respect to any commercial business.

Again, Bob, your response can not and will not be tolerated here. Please respond on your own site for those who have an interest in this issue.

And, yes, I have plenty of very good reasons to keep you off my site.

If I see Bob Hawk come up here again on this thread. You'll be banned.

Davis wrote:Jeez, Bob, just leave it right there. You can do the rest of your responses on your forum. You're testing my patience.

I'm going to respond here on my forum, Bob can respond to me on his.

Thanks Davis!! That gave me the idea for new subforums dedicated to responding to posts on other forums.   

To be fair, Tad has already done something similar with topics like "The Bob Show", but that's just a list of selected posts in a single topic. It doesn't preserve multiple topics in the same way that we will here.

Davis wrote:1) Bob has not provided any evidence to regarding any claims. Yes, I assume that it is difficult to provide such evidence, but no one can take his statement on face value without evidence. (Bob, if you are going to provide such evidence, do it on your forum).

Davis, I am obviously not privy to all of USHPA's claims. But I do know a considerable amount about the Hamby case as I was an expert witness (so was Dennis Pagen and Marti Divietti).

Davis wrote:2) Speculation. We have no evidence of any settlements and we have no idea what if anything First Flight has had to pay.

You may not, but I do. I don't know all the details, but I do know there was a settlement and I believe it was quite favorable to the injured party.

Davis wrote:3) Hang gliding insurance in Australia is much more expensive than here in the US. Who knows how much we have to pay to cover whatever losses our insurance company has to deal with. Again, no evidence is provided.

USHPA knows exactly how much was paid. They're just not telling any of the members.

Davis wrote:4) I have no idea what the situation is at any of the USHPA insured sites. I assume that Torrey Pines is required by the city to have commercial business insurance and I assume that they get that through Flight Flight. But these are assumptions. I don't have the evidence and no one has provided it.

The insurance policy is available at the City of San Diego. I've seen it myself. Again, this is why you shouldn't be banning people who know more about topics of disucssion than you do.

Davis wrote:5) I do not know what the USHPA regulations require with respect to any over site over a business that has commercial insurance. I assume none. There is no evidence being provided that they have a role to play with respect to any commercial business.

USHPA has a voting seat (one of 7) on the Torrey Pines Soaring Council. You were there in the room when the USHPA Board voted to direct that representative to increase our representation. That's certainly a role in oversight, and it's even listed as an advisory role to the City of San Diego in the lease. I'm really surprised that you don't remember this.

Davis wrote:Again, Bob, your response can not and will not be tolerated here. Please respond on your own site for those who have an interest in this issue.

That's the best idea you've ever had Davis!!!

Davis wrote:And, yes, I have plenty of very good reasons to keep you off my site.

Yes, you do. You need to make sure that your site provides a platform for USHPA to spread its propaganda to the hang gliding community without being challenged or embarrassed. I believe that's been your deal with USHPA for years now, and it compromises your Journalistic integrity immensely.

BilleFly

Bob Hawk wrote:…

BilleFly wrote:since Bob has that superiority complex,

Bille, a superiority complex is you thinking that you deserve to post … and I don't.

I have more of an equality complex which is that everyone deserves to post if they follow the same rules.

Excuse ME !!!
I am NOT the one, going over to your forum ; and cramming my ideas , up all your members face.

I get to post on the OZ forum , for a Good reason ; when Davis asks me to back-Off on an
issue , (i do Exactly what is requested) and YOU don't !!
Get it ?
Probably Not !!

Bille

BilleFly wrote:...
I get to post on the OZ forum , for a Good reason ; when Davis asks me to back-Off on an
issue , (i do Exactly what is requested) and YOU don't !!
Get it ?
Probably Not !!

Bille

So what you're saying, Bille, is that there's really only ONE viewpoint that can be read on the Oz Forum: Davis Straub's.  

According to your statement, if Davis asks someone to "back-Off" on any issue, then that's what's required in order to stay on his forum. If that's the case, then he should post this rule:

NOTICE:

All posts on the Oz Forum are required to conform to Davis Straub's views.
Violators will be banned.

Is that what you're saying Bille?

Sorry, I missed the rule. I started a new Topic.

Windsports never had a claim against their insurance in the 15 years they have been at Dockweiler. Joe G explained that when the insurance did not renew it was because of other claims they had paid out not any from him or any related to Dockweiler.

All is good right now, but could have problems down the road.

Frank

~ Damned if You Do ~

I'm not sure what your "Hawk Roast" was intended to mean, but it gave me a good lauch just the same.     

Maybe it's just late and I should go home.