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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby wingspan33 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:07 pm

JoeF wrote:Using the company's online form, I placed a request:
To First Flight insuring company wrote:What opportunity might you express for we who want to obtain recreational hang gliding third-party insurance apart from USHPA. We recognize that we do not want to be associated or actuarily connected with canopy soaring parachutes (paragliders). Our airframed hang gliding sector will one day be fully separate from the USHPA which has become dominate by the soaring parachutes (paragliders). The soaring parachute culture and fatality record and collapse of integrity as aircraft are some of the reasons while the USHPA can no longer be home to the airframed hang glider sector.


Joe,

I have talked to them in person over the phone and they don't like the idea of any new HG Associations bleeding members from the U$hPA. They want one BIG healthy cow to milk, as opposed to one scrawny old cow and one healthy young calf. Insurance policies work better (more profitable) with bigger numbers listed in the "covered persons" column. Sad but true.
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby wingspan33 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:18 pm

billcummings wrote:Scott,
You were in too much of a hurry to pick apart the first misstatement in the expulsion letter to Bob and you blew right past the actual first misstatement:
Opening misstatement made by:
M Palmaz wrote:Martin Palmaz
Executive Director
US Hang Gliding & Paragliding Association
"Dear Mr. Kuczewski," . . .


You mean the "Dear" part? :lolno:

Ooopps. Sorry I missed that. :shifty:
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby Merlin » Mon Mar 23, 2015 7:29 pm

For those who have read Asimov's Foundation... the fall of the Empire is certain, and there will be an unavoidable period of chaos. The actions of a few now may hasten it's recovery.
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby wingspan33 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:00 pm

Hi Merlin,

I've read the whole series (can't remember if it was a trilogy?). Still, generally after the fall, a NEW society is created. The old one is not rebuilt. A college Anthropology professor in the last class of the semester stated that Every society falls. History proves that. And certainly chaos ensues. Seems like the U$hPA fits into the same mold. It too will fall. Perhaps become a PG only organization. Maybe collapse all together. The US Hawks may be able to pick up the slack and be where HG pilots head to get out of the "storm".

In the mean time, the U$hPA isn't belly up yet and the US Hawks have some growing to do as well. Let's hope the final result is for the better.
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby Rick Masters » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:10 pm

The Mule establishes his empire incrementally, using past conquests to aid new ones: first by mentally converting a pirate band to his allegiance, then a whole planet, then the militarily powerful kingdom of Kalgan, which he obtains by mentally converting the warlord of the planet Kalgan, and then the Foundation.- Wikipedia

Is this like a playbook or something? Arrggh! Ahoy, maties!
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby dhmartens » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:26 pm


Thanks for getting me out of jury duty, Got your back.
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby Merlin » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:32 pm

Yes, the Foundation trilogy has many parallels. I view Bob as Harry Seldon, psycho-historian, and Mr Faust as representing the efforts of the Encyclopedia Galactica - the effort to chronical the historical information necessary for the recovery of hang gliding.
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon Mar 23, 2015 9:55 pm

wingspan33 wrote: Still, generally after the fall, a NEW society is created. The old one is not rebuilt.


I've always thought it was remarkable that living things tend to have a fairly finite life span. Take a human, for example. We spend almost 2 decades reaching maturity and then we have maybe another 2 decades of relative "prime" and then it's downhill from there. You'd think that after the first 2 decades of building an adult human, there would be mechanisms to keep it around much longer than a few more decades. Wouldn't it be more efficient to refurbish a few cells here and there than to have to scrap the whole thing and start from scratch ... over and over?

No, apparently not. There appears to be a crucial intrinsic value to starting over that just can't be replaced.

I guess I should know that from my own software development. I often start out with a wonderful design - lightweight, elegant, efficient. Then it grows ... and grows ... and grows. Things that I've learned later have to be "shoehorned" into that lightweight, elegant, and efficient design. The shoehorning does damage. I should go back and rewrite everything to make it all fit, but I don't have time. So I add another patch and another and another. Eventually, the whole thing really needs to be rewritten from scratch ... but that's painful. So until the pain of the "outdated" design exceeds the feared pain of starting from scratch, I just limp along ... patch after patch after patch.

There's probably an even better analogy in biology. Young organisms have a full set of functioning cells freshly minted from their DNA blueprints. None of those cells have figured out how to deviate from what their DNA told them to do. But give them time. Give them some exposure to the corrupting influences of their environment. Give them time to figure out that they can feed for free and spend their energy replicating rather than working ... and the food still flows to them through the blood stream. Cancer.

Sometimes you have to just start over.

I think it's fairly certain that USHPA will expel me. The Directors have already committed themselves to it with their first vote, and they're not the kind of people who like to admit they were ever wrong. The system is fundamentally flawed because I was given no chance to defend myself in the original vote and it will be the same people sitting in final judgement. I didn't even know I was on trial. Tim Herr was able to lead the Board to their decision behind my back.

Sometimes you have to just start over.
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby Bill Cummings » Mon Mar 23, 2015 10:29 pm

Hey you guys --get back on track here :evil:
The spring board meeting of U$hPA was called to order on Saturday March 14, 2015. Later there was a presentation by Tim Herr. (period - not comma) Discussion of Bob Kuczewski as a member of U$hPA. (period - not comma)

That says Tim Herr gave the presentation about Bob K.

That belies that the post on the OZ report made March 22, by Rich H, “I am also 100% certain Tim was not there on USHPA's nickel.” concerning Tim Herr being at Bob’s court appearance months earlier.

The only other scenario I can come up with is Tim Herr did the presentation at the spring board meeting Pro Bono.

Say ----wait a minute===

Sam is this the point that you were making on an earlier post at the OZ Report. If so I’m a little slow on the uptake.

And if so I just independently confirmed your data with my own reading of the Spring Board Meeting Minutes. (just minutes ago)
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Wow I do type slow I didn't even know Bob did up his post and finished before I did.
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby wingspan33 » Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:02 pm

I'm wondering if it is safe to assume the following:

Tim Herr is being paid by Air California Adventure Inc. to protect them from a party (plaintiff) who is suing them for BIG bucks. Why? Because Air California Adventure Inc. personnel neglected to do a proper job of insuring the safety of one of its inexperienced collapsible canopy students. This student (the plaintiff) was injured as a result. Bob K offered his expert perspective in support of the plaintiff's case.

A few observations -

- Tim Herr can only benefit if the SD police arrest Bob K (a U$hPA member) for trespassing on Air California Adventure Inc.'s "territory" (which exists in a public park in the City of San Diego, CA).

- Tim Herr can only benefit if Bob K (a U$hPA member) gets a restraining order placed against him - as requested by Air California Adventure Inc. personnel.

- Tim Herr can only benefit if Bob K is arrested again after complaints, made by Air California Adventure Inc. personnel, that Bob K (a U$hPA member, and citizen of San Diego, CA) was once again trespassing in a (open to the public) San Diego City Park.

- Tim Herr can only benefit if he meets in "secret" with some U$hPA BOD Committee(?) where he uses his lawyerly skills to paint Bob K (a U$hPA member) as a threat to the U$hPA. The goal of said presentation being to have Bob K's U$hPA membership revoked.

- Tim Herr is being paid GOOD money to win a law suit in favor of the obviously negligent company know as Air California Adventure Inc. Tim Herr, therefore, is also being paid GOOD money to use his lawyerly skills to attack and defame Bob K (a U$hPA member - and witness against his client). This makes it more likely that Mr. Herr will win his case in support of Air California Adventure Inc.

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Oddly, Tim Herr is ALSO U$hPA's lawyer. He's being paid a significant yearly retainer to PROTECT and DEFEND the U$hPA and its MEMBERS(!) from incurring more than one kind of damage. So, when a U$hPA member PG Student is injured as a result of the negligence of Air California Adventure Inc. personnel, what is the "common sense" approach?

Well, you'd expect that Tim Herr would lend legal support to the U$hPA member student pilot, correct? Only this didn't happen. WHY?

Instead, Tim Herr took the job of defending a PG Sales and Training Company who's negligence did damage to a U$hPA member pilot. This is SO obviously a CONFLICT OF INTEREST that it is not only NOT funny, . . . it's comes off as being a violation of legal ethics - the kind of thing an Attorney can be disbarred over.

But then, we can't forget that Tim Herr has now gone on to attack and defame another U$hPA member. That would be Bob K. Significantly, Mr. Herr's attack is centered so closely on Bob K's efforts to improve the goings on at Torrey Pines Glider Port that his agenda is obvious. Mr Herr's agenda comes off as being - to KEEP the corrupt, negligent, even criminal activities of Air California Adventure Inc. from being compelled (one way or the other) toward change for the better.

And that "change for the better" would certainly include a better and safer flying environment for ALL U$hPA members who fly at Torrey Pines.

For all intents and purposes, Tim Herr is effectively undermining the integrity of the U$hPA as well as the safety of its member pilots. And guess what? He's FOOLED the majority of the U$hPA BODs into thinking that Bob K is the "bad guy" while he KNOWS for Dang Sure that California Adventure Inc. is the real threat to the U$hPA and its member pilots.

I wonder if my assumptions have any merit? :think:

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