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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby wingspan33 » Fri Mar 27, 2015 1:06 pm

Just want to continue on the Invalid Waiver issue from my previous post.

The linked article states the following:

Furthermore, the court said it found in prior cases a “rough outline” where liability waivers were held invalid. In its decision, the Supreme Court wrote: “[T]he attempted but invalid exemption involves a transaction which exhibits some or all of the following characteristics. It concerns a business of a type generally thought suitable for public regulation. The party seeking exculpation is engaged in performing a service of great importance to the public, which is often a matter of practical necessity for some members of the public. The party holds himself out as willing to perform this service for any member of the public who seeks it, or at least for any member coming within certain established standards. As a result of the essential nature of the service, in the economic setting of the transaction, the party invoking exculpation possesses a decisive advantage of bargaining strength against any member of the public who seeks his services. In exercising a superior bargaining power the party confronts the public with a standardized adhesion contract of exculpation, and makes no provision whereby a purchaser may pay additional reasonable fees and obtain protection against negligence. Finally, as a result of the transaction, the person or property of the purchaser is placed under the control of the seller, subject to the risk of carelessness by the seller or his agents.”


To interpret a bit -

In the current case where MG Forbes is claiming that the u$hPa's waiver may be found invalid, . . .

Well, considering the above, the u$hPa is certainly a business "thought suitable for public regulation".

Also - the u$hPa is "engaged in performing a service of great importance to the public, which is often a matter of practical necessity for some members of the public". This fits in with their business position as directly connected and vital to hang glider and collapsible canopy pilots in the US.

Next - The u$hPa does hold itself out "as willing to perform this service for any member of the public who seeks it, or at least for any member coming within certain established standards."

Then - "[a]s a result of the essential nature of the [u$hPa's] service, in the economic setting of the transaction, the [u$hPa] invoking exculpation (their interest in not being held liable) possesses a decisive advantage of bargaining strength against any member of the public who seeks [the u$hPa's] services."

The u$hPa then ". . . makes no provision whereby a [member pilot] may pay additional reasonable fees and obtain protection against negligence. Finally, as a result of the transaction [membership form requiring a signed a waiver], the person or property of the purchaser is placed under the control of the [u$hPa], subject to the risk of carelessness by the [u$hPa] or [its otherwise certified instructors, observers, etc.].”

- - - - - - - - - - -

What Mark Forbes is arguing is that GROSSLY negligent u$hPa certified (HG or PG) Instructors should be allowed to get away with their GROSS NEGLIGENCE. The kind of preventable negligence that results in u$hPa members being injured FOR NO GOOD REASON! :eh:

Why is Mark Forbes making his argument against Bob K? Because Air California Adventure can be so easily proven to have been GROSSLY NEGLIGENT in the case in point. And that the case has happened to include Bob K's observations as an expert witness.

Essentially, what Mark Forbes and the rest of the u$hPa BOD have decided is, that by Bob K assisting in clarifying the Extreme Nature of Air California Adventure's negligence he has pointed out "The Elephant in the Room". And that elephant would be, . . . the significant danger that Air California Adventure poses to the u$hPa and it's members (especially those who may deal with ACA Inc. at Torrey Pines).

The u$hPa doesn't like this because if Bob (or anyone else who may have come forward) had just kept their mouth shut then the injured party (a u$hPa member!) would have found it much harder to prove Gross Negligence - and not been compensated for her injuries. The u$hPa is in "Speak No Evil" mode - or better put, . . . "Speak No Words-That-May-Improve-Our-Safety" mode.

Now wouldn't the above be in conflict with the u$hPa's NFP Corporate By-Laws and/or SOPs? Ain't they acting to cover up Unsafe Flying/Training Practices? They're acting to CRUSH positive efforts toward improving safe flying and training methods within the sports they claim to represent. Now that's messed up!

BTW - Somebody needs to post complete current copies of the u$hPa's NFP Corporate By-Laws and/or SOPs. :thumbup:

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Davis looking for a way out

Postby Free » Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:23 pm

Looks like the writing is on the wall on being able to post on the OZ Report.
It's not surprising that Davis is now trying to squirm out of his small commitment of fairness.
He was probably thinking the argument would go differently and now he is taking heat from the man, behind the man behind the curtain.

The whole thing is blowing up in their faces whether they understand it or not.
Re: Goodbye Bob K? Fri, Mar 27 2015, 9:45:04 pm
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Davis wrote:Bob.
Bob K. wrote:
Shame on you for trying to pass your own commentary off as part of the Board's motion. You're showing your willingness to try to deceive the members of this forum in your response.


Did you not listen when I asked you to not engage in personal attack?

I ask once again.

I won't ask one more time. Davis Straub


Davis is looking for the least little thing to allow him to bow out. He would like to save face but we know that is not a deal breaker with Davis. I've made a file on the whole thread because it may end up in the memory hole.
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Re: Davis looking for a way out

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Fri Mar 27, 2015 5:13 pm

Free wrote:Davis is looking for the least little thing to allow him to bow out. He would like to save face but we know that is not a deal breaker with Davis. I've made a file on the whole thread because it may end up in the memory hole.

I've asked a friend to review my posts first before I put them on the Oz Forum to help me catch "the least little things".   ;)

Thanks for making a file on the thread because I may need it.    :thumbup:
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby wingspan33 » Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:56 pm

Davis Straub is still allowing the posts to continue over on the land of Oz. I give him some credit. :thumbup:
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A Distinction Between USHPA and "THE Corporation"

Postby Free » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:44 am

The California Corporation that collects dues and fees from our associated members of hang gliding and paragliding enthusiasts is a separate, fictional character, acting in it's own self-interest, rather than the interest of those associated of the hang gliding and paragliding enthusiasts that the corporate fiction pretends to represent.

Mark G. Forbes has written more than once that the continuing existence of that Corporation is the ultimate goal of that Corporation.
The "purposes and interests of the corporation" can be any thing the Corporation's lawyer and the Corporate insiders say it is, having nothing to do with the interest of any associated hang gliding and paragliding enthusiast. It could be t-shirt sales and popcorn stands at publicly owned City Parks.. or... expensive and dangerous tandem joy rides on highly collapsible contraptions, for that matter.

This "expulsion" boils down simply to a parasitic corporate fiction, led by a self-interest, parasitic attorney pretending to be a concerned associated member/pilot filing extensive, vague and unsubstantiated charges against another associated pilot/member (in good standing, btw) in order to maintain profit and control of said California Corporate fiction.

A fish rots from the head and this kettle of fish has been stinking for a very long time.

USHPA Email sent at 03/20/2015 03:06:12 PM wrote:Member Expulsion
USHPA Board Action
The Board voted to initiate the procedure for expulsion of Robert Kuczewski under Article V, Section 4 (a)(iv) of the Bylaws:

Expulsion of the member based on the good faith determination by the Board of Directors or a committee designated to make such determination that the member has failed in a material and serious degree to observe the rules of conduct governing this corporation as promulgated by the Board from time to time or has engaged in conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purposes and interests of the corporation.


USHPA Email sent at 03/20/2015 03:06:06 PM wrote:Dear Mr. Kuczewski,

On March 14, 2015, the Board of Directors of the United States Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association (USHPA) determined that you should be expelled from the association pursuant to the USHPA bylaws which provide for the expulsion of a member based upon a good faith determination by the board that the member has failed in a material and serious degree to observe the rules of conduct governing USHPA or has engaged in conduct materially and seriously prejudicial to the purpose and interests of USHPA.
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby brianscharp » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:53 am

http://ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php? ... 812#p10484
Ironic.
bobk wrote:I am learning that we cannot tolerate people who join us with the intention of undermining or destroying us.
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat Apr 04, 2015 1:32 pm

brianscharp wrote:http://ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p=10484&sid=24f31e6a69e8efd4c58c08aac1088812#p10484
Ironic.
bobk wrote:I am learning that we cannot tolerate people who join us with the intention of undermining or destroying us.


Here's my full quote:

bobk wrote:The great thing about choices is that people should go out and seek the organizations that they feel most comfortable with. I welcome you here if you like what we're doing, but if you don't then please go find what resonates with you. I am learning that we cannot tolerate people who join us with the intention of undermining or destroying us. So if you harbor animosity against what we're doing, then please don't suffer here. Go find what makes you happy. I mean that with the sincerest and best intentions.


Brian, I do NOT belong to USHPA to undermine them. I belong to USHPA because they hold a monopoly which I'm forced to join in order to fly at my local sites.

I would gladly NOT belong to USHPA if I had a viable alternative to fly at my local sites without being a member.

Finally, I do not want to "destroy" or "demolish" USHPA. I just want to create a viable choice in the marketplace. There are clearly pilots who would prefer USHPA and pilots who would prefer the US Hawks. I would like them each to have their choice, and that's what I'm working toward (just as I'd like pilots to be able to choose between hg.org, Oz, US Hawks, and others). But we're not there yet, and right now USHPA holds a monopoly at many flying sites in the US, and that's what breaks your implied analogy.
 
Free's post is much more on target:

Free (with interest changed to interested) wrote:This "expulsion" boils down simply to a parasitic corporate fiction, led by a self-interested, parasitic attorney pretending to be a concerned associated member/pilot filing extensive, vague and unsubstantiated charges against another associated pilot/member (in good standing, btw) in order to maintain profit and control of said California Corporate fiction.

A fish rots from the head and this kettle of fish has been stinking for a very long time.

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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby brianscharp » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:00 pm

That quote was directed towards Free, who I doubt was out to undermine or destroy U.S. Hawks either. I don't remember seeing any specific rules that were broken, just a call for a commitment of loyalty.
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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sat Apr 04, 2015 3:17 pm

Free is still here, and I don't think he has intentions of destroying the US Hawks. That quote may have been written to him, but it was not necessarily about him. But let him speak for himself:

Free, do you have any intentions to destroy the US Hawks?

Other than that Brian, let's try to keep this topic on the Expulsion Proceeding. Please start another topic on anything else you'd like to discuss.

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Re: USHPA Expulsion Proceeding

Postby Rick Masters » Sat Apr 04, 2015 11:56 pm

Bob, :twisted:

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/hang-gl ... h-16276783

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