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Re: Should we try a different way? Designwise....

Postby ARP » Tue Sep 08, 2015 5:21 pm

Here is a film on YouTube of Reinhard Platz 1923 sailwing glider:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LVtc8l3Z5o

It shows that flexwings with self generating aerofoils were flying long before Rogallo developed his. No manned flights are show but there are a few photos of it in manned flight.
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Re: Should we try a different way? Designwise....

Postby brianscharp » Tue Sep 08, 2015 9:37 pm

ARP wrote:Brian,

There were photos of it available in the 70's so it is possible someone reverse engineered it. It's a relatively simple design with just a keel, wing spar, A frame , king post and a fair few cables. The jib & mainsail could have been made on a home sewing machine.

Did you see it fly and what year would it have been ?

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Yes, I saw it fly on the south side of the POM. It was able to park in what I considered fairly light lift for standard Rogallos. I did just what Frank said he wouldn't do with the Port-a-Wing. I walked up the hill to get a closer look - just below and off to the side. I'd never seen anything like it before. I think it was '75. I didn't recognize the pilot and unfortunately had to leave before meeting him. I moved away from the area soon after and don't know if the pilot was just visiting or became a regular.
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Re: Should we try a different way? Designwise....

Postby ARP » Wed Sep 09, 2015 2:34 am

That's interesting Brian and it would great to find out more. It is a long time ago but if there is a local club at Point of the Mountain there might be records or news letters that could be checked?
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Re: Should we try a different way? Designwise....

Postby ARP » Wed Sep 09, 2015 7:29 am

The MK2 was the same glider modified with the jib sail moved back to overlap the main sail:- http://www.delta-club-82.com/bible/831- ... -circa.htm
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Re: Should we try a different way? Designwise....

Postby brianscharp » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:09 am

ARP wrote:That's interesting Brian and it would great to find out more. It is a long time ago but if there is a local club at Point of the Mountain there might be records or news letters that could be checked?

To my knowledge there wasn't a club at that time. I was still in high school and Dick Cheney was my main contact. He sewed the sail, supplied the plans and parts for my 16' standard. I haven't maintained communication with him since, but could look him up if I return. Maybe someone on this forum has better knowledge of when the first club was started there and how far back records go.
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Re: Should we try a different way? Designwise....

Postby JoeF » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:23 am

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Re: Should we try a different way? Designwise....

Postby brianscharp » Wed Sep 09, 2015 9:27 am

This probably is not the direction Dayhead was intending, but it's pretty cool.
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Re: Should we try a different way? Designwise....

Postby ARP » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:01 am

Hi Joe,

I had seen some of these pictures from the Otto meet. Do you think this could be the glider seen by Brian at The Point Of the Mountain?
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Re: Should we try a different way? Designwise....

Postby brianscharp » Wed Sep 09, 2015 11:09 am

ARP wrote:Hi Joe,

I had seen some of these pictures from the Otto meet. Do you think this could be the glider seen by Brian at The Point Of the Mountain?

I don't know what Joe thinks, but *I* can assure you it was not.
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Re: Should we try a different way? Designwise....

Postby ARP » Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:25 pm

Hi Brian,

How are your drawing skills? Could you sketch the gilder, you saw, and post it here ?

There was one on the Delta-Club-82 site which looked similar to the Platz but with an A frame. The two jib sails could be operated by the pilot from the seated harness position. No details were with the picture but I think it was from Switzerland. I had another look for it but it does not seem to be there now. The sail had blue and white stripes and a lower aspect ratio than mine.
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