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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Rick Masters » Wed Jan 27, 2016 9:41 pm

:shock:    Babes in the wood

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To the extent we have donations in excess of our goal, it helps to retire debt and obligations. We need to raise a total of $2 million. We are able to get part of it by pledging the bulk of the Foundation's assets as a letter of credit, and another part using a letter of credit against the equity in USHPA's office building. Both of those are loans of a sort, although we don't have to actually draw on them unless we reach a (disastrous) point where we have to dip into RRG capital to pay obligations. But they're still outstanding, and we need to retire them using cash if we have it, and future profits from the RRG.

The long term plan is to pay off any loans first, then cover letters of credit, then build the RRG reserves to whatever level is prudent based on our claims history, then return any excess to policy holders in the form of future reductions in premiums. We're talking 7-10 years out...this isn't something quick. Much depends on how well we manage claims, and how we do at reducing accidents that cause those claims. The better we do at this, the sooner the rates come down.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2016 8:52 am Post subject: Reply with quote #5
I didn't realize the RRG funds would be used to deal with anything other than insurance issues. USHGPA obligations is why I pay membership?
http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=33991&sid=d18d73156f025af38628def185068271

Oh...
What's that part. again, about unless we reach a (disastrous) point where we have to dip into RRG capital to pay obligations?
What happens then?      :shock:

A gentleman of good account
In Norfolk dwelt of late,
Whose wealth and riches did surmount
Most men of his estate.
Sore sick he was, and like to die,
No help his life could save;
His wife by him as sick did lie,
And both were near the grave.
No love between these two was lost:
Each to the other kind;
In love they lived, in love they died,
And left two babes behind.
Now if the children chanced to die,
Ere they to age should come,
Their uncle should possess their wealth:
For so the will did run.
“Now brother,” said the dying man,
“Look to my children dear;
Be good unto my boy and girl,
No friend else have they here.”
Their parents being dead and gone,
The children home he takes,
And brings them both unto his house,
Where much of them he makes.
He had not kept these pretty babes
A twelvemonth and a day,
When, for their wealth, he did devise
To make them both away.
He bargained with two ruffians bold,
Who were of savage mood,
That they should take the children twain,
And slay them in a wood.
They prate and prattle pleasantly
While riding on the way,
To those their wicked uncle hired,
These lovely babes to slay:
So that the pretty speech they had,
Made the ruffians' heart relent;
And they that took the deed to do,
Full sorely did repent.
The other would not agree thereto,
So here they fell at strife;
With one another they did fight,
About the children's life:
And he that was of milder mood,
Did slay the other there,
Within an unfrequented wood;
The babes did quake for fear!
He took the children by the hand,
While they for bread complain:
“Stay here,” said he, “I'll bring ye bread,
When I do come again.”
These pretty babes, with hand in hand,
Went wandering up and down;
But never more they saw the man,
Approaching from the town.
Thus wandered these two pretty dears,
Till death did end their grief;
In one another's arms they died,
Poor babes, past all relief.
No burial these innocents
Of any man receives,
But robin redbreast lovingly
Did cover them with leaves.
The fellow that did take in hand
These children for to kill,
Was for a robbery judged to die,
As was God's blessed will:
And did confess the very truth,
The which is here expressed;
Their uncle died while he for debt
Did long in prison rest.
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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Fri Feb 19, 2016 4:41 pm

I see future scandal and lawsuits coming out of all of this.
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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Bill Cummings » Mon Jun 06, 2016 6:25 pm

Damn it :!: :!:
This message is being sent to all email addresses associated with your
chapter, in order to increase the likelihood it will be received. Please
coordinate with all current chapter officers to ensure that appropriate
action will be taken.

*1 - Your chapter is currently inactive.*
We have not received a completed chapter renewal application for your
chapter. This year the process happens completely online via the Chapter
Application/Renewal Form (click here for online form
<https://fs30.formsite.com/officeushpaaero/form33/index.html>). Please
submit only one form for your chapter. Note you will also need your Chapter
Report in order to review the current information on file for your chapter.

Your Chapter Report was sent as a PDF to the President, Vice President and
Secretary on file for your chapter. There was no paper packet sent. If you
can not locate your Chapter Report please email the USHPA Office
<info@ushpa.aero> with your name, your chapter's name, your chapter number,
and the note "Please send Chapter Report" and it will be emailed to you.

NOTE: There is an error in all Chapter Reports. They list the Chapter
Expiration Date as 6/30/2016 - this is incorrect. *Your Chapter Expiration
Date is 5/31/2016*.
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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon Jun 06, 2016 7:03 pm

On June 2, 2016, USHPA wrote:NOTE: There is an error in all Chapter Reports. They list the Chapter Expiration Date as 6/30/2016 - this is incorrect. *Your Chapter Expiration Date is 5/31/2016*.

Bill Cummings wrote:Damn it :!: :!:


We just got the same notification from USHPA dated ... June 2nd, 2016!!    :twisted:

I had been writing to USHPA about our renewal since February. I even called the office and was told that we would be notified about our renewal well in advance. Nothing ever came until we got the expiration notice.

But don't be critical of USHPA since that's grounds for ... expulsion!    :shock:   :crazy:
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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby dhmartens » Mon Jun 06, 2016 8:09 pm

http://www.realtytrac.com/property/co/c ... /184391907

shows ushpa sold their office building on 4/14/2016 for $475,000.

Can they buy it back over the next few years from proceeds from the RRG?


Maybe it depends on the note or loan they wrote, I thought an investor had to have more than $2 million in order to loan $ to the RRG?

The state of Vermont will have to approve the disposition of any RRG funds if I remember the state laws there on RRgs.

BTW one good investment ushpa made was buying that building, look like they made a few hundred thousand profit on it, way to go ushpa!!
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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Tue Jun 07, 2016 9:52 am

Good research Doug:          :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute: :salute:
dhmartens wrote:http://www.realtytrac.com/property/co/colorado-springs/80904/1685-w-uintah-st/184391907

shows ushpa sold their office building on 4/14/2016 for $475,000.


U$HPA is trying to put lipstick on a pig.

If USHPA's leadership had actually done their jobs, then the members would still have both their insurance and their building.

Who thinks that U$HPA's investment in the RRG will be as profitable as their investment in Real Estate?

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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby eagle » Tue Jun 07, 2016 11:33 am

Organised Criminal Monopoly ~ Our so Called FREE-FLIGHT
We are required to buy insurance that We can't really use, that We don't really legally need
We are required to sign waivers, protecting Insurance & Flight business from negligent threat or Injury
We have no access viewing accident reports that are accurate. (Clear false reporting)
We have no OVERSIGHT/Records to View. No say so concerning negligent operations
We have no set disciplinary rules in stopping problems

We have a Negligent City that has failed to take action protecting the Public. (THE CITY COULD FIX THIS)

We are under threat not to talk about it. (expulsion, loss of insurance, Flight Privilege)
~ On Top of everything a annual $200 site use charge, just to Use the Air ~

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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed Jun 08, 2016 7:37 am

I think you've written my next City Council speech!!      :salute: :salute: :salute:
eagle wrote:Organised Criminal Monopoly ~ Our so Called FREE-FLIGHT
We are required to buy insurance that We can't really use, that We don't really legally need
We are required to sign waivers, protecting Insurance & Flight business from negligent threat or Injury
We have no access viewing accident reports that are accurate. (Clear false reporting)
We have no OVERSIGHT/Records to View. No say so concerning negligent operations
We have no set disciplinary rules in stopping problems

We have a Negligent City that has failed to take action protecting the Public. (THE CITY COULD FIX THIS)

We are under threat not to talk about it. (expulsion, loss of insurance, Flight Privilege)
~ On Top of everything a annual $200 site use charge, just to Use the Air ~

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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Bill Cummings » Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:45 pm

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I am not a lawyer and you should contact a lawyer if you have any questions concerning the law.
This is for recreational educational information only.
If our local chapter decides that they can afford to have the Dry Canyon Site Insurance reinstated does USHPA
really think that they or the RGSA Club has the authority to keep others recreating in the National Forest from enjoying themselves?

I don't really understand why the RGSA would invite pilots to fly-ins, or national championship meets and charge a fee.
This is the reason the National Forest would require insurance.

If people are in the National Forest simply enjoying recreational activity the Forest Service is to be held harmless.

Below actual wording of the ACT for New Mexico (USA) (It is my opinion that NM pilots should print and carry copies while flying in New Mexico)
From: http://theraf.org/sites/default/files/r ... _96249.pdf
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Re: USHPA's Insurance Fiasco

Postby Rick Masters » Thu Jun 09, 2016 9:28 pm

I like the part about the $15 paper processing fee.
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Georgia Pacific Basic Copy Paper, 8-1/2" x 11", 88 Bright, 1500 Sheets (3 reams) $12.88 at Walmart

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They must be paying P.M. minumum wage and it takes him an hour to process each one.

I like the part about the instructor being required to re-certify an experienced pilot.
"But I've been flying all this time!"
"Nope. Show me 5 spot landings and give me $100 plus the $15 paper processing fee."
Back when I was a Special Observer it was free.
But that was a hang gliding association.
Can't figure out what this one is...
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