[eagle]

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[reluctantsparrow]

Hmmm, show up fine on my old computer....dang...
here...I will try to upload an image....
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hope these load properly.....I have only flown with it once so far and it was sublime....did everything right....gives a pilot four more inches pull in than any other seated configuration....fully pulled in I was doing around forty on an old super sport....most effortless flight of my life....
take off was effortless in no wind conditions....
On landing I actually mis-read the flag and came in downwind....had 6 inch finsterwalders on the basetube and simply rolled to a perfect landing.....
I like too many things about this idea to list them all.... but i will try....
1. its comfortable!
2. easy to spot clouds
3. no rotation of harness required for landing
4. feet first in a crash
5. the mainstraps of this PG harness is going to take any first impact in a crash scenario.....not the pilots head....then the suprone bar will fail or take out the DTs....absorbing more force...THEN the pilot can swing through and absorb impact with feet and legs.....pretty darn safe...
6. This will make it very easy for PG pilots, who really do not look forward to flying prone, to easily cross over into hang gliding....using a harness they already own and flying in a position they are already comfortable with.
7. Will bolt on to ANY glider rigged for prone flight with zero modifications to the airframe required.....and will not weaken the structure in any way as long as the front portion is built stout enough to not allow any twisting or deformation of the DTs
8. its going to be very affordable or a handy person can build their own easy enough.
9. pulling in for speed was effortless from the fully reclined position. Roll was amazingly easy....almost zero energy required....no more shoulder issues, no more neck issues....my chiropractor is going to be happy.
10. the rounded forward corners allow a pilot to pull into those two corners to get a wing down quickly when one wing is unexpectedly popped up on launch ....very nice...

[ARP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_8CHyb_7jU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jPRJfQ ... 30.3659272

Similar idea

[reluctantsparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_8CHyb_7jU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jPRJfQ ... 30.3659272

Similar idea

NOpe....not similar at all....I already tried that supine thing last year ARP....made a couple handles....been there done that and I learned first hand why it has not become popular.....big problem is when you need speed in a hurry....the supine pilot is so far back from the basetube you actually have to inch your way forward on the handles a couple times before you can grab it....also...you are hanging BELOW the bar in supine which opens up your lower extremeties to severe injury in a crash scenario.....

while in suprone with a suprone bar you are within the A-frame and fully protected...your controls are all within easy reach..
...I am the only person in the world who has flown with a suprone bar so far....I know because I hired an exhaustive patent search done....and this simple bar has never been done before...ever....you are seeing it here first...it is a UShawks exclusive.....and so far I cant find a downside to it....not one...
I can control my glider with this suprone bar just as easily as I could in prone.....only thing it wont let you do is reach blistering top end speeds for aerobatics....(which for most pilots thats a good thing....)

[ARP]

The Doodlebug flying position is above the base bar of the control frame but uses no additional hand holds:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRN34aAWiO4

RS
For take off and landing you will not be flying above the base bar unless you intend to use wheels so there will be no crash protection at those critical points of the flight. The simple double "S" base bar show in this video seems to provide sufficient control authority with less hardware.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTRAGP2CJ3Y

[reluctantsparrow]

Again, Arp, not the same thing at all.....that video is of a glider MADE for supine flight by Avian....the downtubes are shortened and the rake of the a-frame is back several inches....thats why they gave him such a deep belly bar....so he could pull in for safe speed.....This set up is actually pretty good, but again, the pilot is hanging below the basetube and his lower extremeties are exposed in a crash scenario.....
here is a video of the only flight so far anyone ever using a suprone bar.....it was early am...about 8 in the morning, and wind conditions went from zero to 4 mph down.....I had to wait for some zero to take off in and had to run like a cattle truck.....but then....I always run like a cattle truck....


yes, the link is not working....I have pasted it properly.....have no idea why its not working.....go to my youtube channel and look at the most recently uploaded....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qngr4UO ... e=youtu.be

[ARP]

Sorry RS link to video not shown.

However, as I said in what scenario do you see the crash protection becoming relevant? Flying into terrain possibly whilst soaring but for take off and landing you will be below the base bar with no additional protective frame around you.

[reluctantsparrow]

I am suspended above the base tube bar about three inches, sandwiched between the base tube and the suprone bar.....I took off the same as in a prone harness and I could drop my legs and flare for landing the same as in prone flight by moving my shoulders forward through the mains....very easily done.....now my upper body is in a very similar angle to a prone pilot rocked head up for landing....and the flare was effortless....same as prone....
of course I fly with wheels, and wheels combined with this flying position gives a pilot the largest safety net I can imagine.....
I have already rolled it in downwind to test it out...and it worked fine in a five mph downwind landing..., suspended ABOVE the basetube...easy....nothing to it....

[reluctantsparrow]

The Doodlebug flying position is above the base bar of the control frame but uses no additional hand holds:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRN34aAWiO4
Y

The doodlbug is flying suprone alright, but without the invention.....Have you tried flying in this position? I have...you cant pul in past the DTs at all....you can try this at home....hold your hands out in front of you then pull them straight back as far as you can...I am kind of old and stiff....I cant pull them any farther back than level with my chest.....and that is the limit of pull in flying with a doodlebug also....the position has never been ergonomically correct for us humans.....
Another thing suprone pilots have not been able to do is lean way back and get comfy.....that leaves the downtubes beyond their reach and they have to resort to flying from the rear wires....which does not give one that solid feel we need working rowdy thermals....
Look at the vids of suprone pilots...they have to stay all hunched up around the DTs....they cant really lean back, relax, and get streamlined.....
the suprone bar is going to allow a pilot to fly one of those fancy paraglider harnesses and get all streamlined and slippery in the air, feet first....comfortably...I am imagining how much farther I will be able to fly when my shoulders are not aching....oh yes....and actually look up to look to see clouds without straining my neck? cant wait....
And a doodlebug would work AWESOME with this bar attached....good idea ARP!I ....OMG that would be FUN

[ARP]

Hi RS,

Watched your takeoff on YouTube and it looks good. Unfortunately the landing is not shown. Did you land it on wheels or on foot? Yes I'm sure a powered version using the Doodlebug type unit could work well with your bar. Having wheels would help if the power pilot were to trip or falter on takeoff. The Doodlebug is no longer in production but there maybe some out there on the second hand market.

Tony