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Jack Axaopoulos (sg) changes another post on hanggliding.org

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:42 pm

I happened to check on hanggliding.org and I found the following post (http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22496):

al hernandez wrote:Title: Jack Axaopoulos Hangglidng.Org Puts freedom of speech 2 stop

From AL, I am pissing on your turff, see if this brings the monkey out of the cage
After reading all the crap that you do to people Whacko Jacko, and silent whoever you want Like, Noman, Scott Wise, Tad, Bob and who knows how many others
Who the F do you think you are fool
silent this MF.
Actually, your Hang glidng Org. SUCKS as much as you do fool
Whacko Jacko, you can exclude me from being a part of this f#cked up forum
Take your hang glidng. ORG and Shove IT where the sun doesn't shine, way up in there MF.
freedom of speech : ) I've said all I needed to say, Forever on this F%ucked up site (A Dios) Puto
USHPA is supposed to do this, but they won't set up a forum because they don't want to have to answer to their members. For example, if they set up a members forum, then members might ask how their individual Directors are voting. The Directors don't want to go on record and that would become an instant embarrassment. There are dozens of issues (similar to open voting) where the USHPA leadership would be embarrassed by the questions their members ask. That's why they won't support an open forum.

hanggliding.org is the largest forum we have in the sport, but it's run by Jack Axaopoulos (sg) who decides who can post and what can be posted. He's kicked off several people who've been critical of him (Tad, Scott, Noman and Bob, AL Hernandez are three examples). Because of Jack's temper (and threats) others are afraid to speak out. This is in violation of his own rules which claim that criticising the moderator won't get you banned. Ask Scott Wise (wingspan) about that one or view the topic where many hanggliding.org members asked to have me reinstated.

I don't need to comment on the validity of that post, but it's what Al had to say. For better or worse, those were his words (and some of mine in his quote).

But here comes the part that should concern everyone in the sport of hang gliding. Jack Axaopoulos (sg) changed both the title of the topic and the post itself to read as follows:

al hernandez wrote:Title: Hangglidng.Org rules!

But I like to touch little boys.

If you look at that post now (http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22496), here's what you'll find:

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That's not what Al said. It's not even close to what Al said. This (again) proves that Jack Axaopoulos is changing people's posts on hanggliding.org. He's done the same thing on torreyhawksforum.org.

Regardless of what you think of Jack or Al or anyone else, this is wrong. This shows that hanggliding.org cannot be trusted to show all sides of any topic. On top of that, Jack locked the forum and will probably send it to the basement any time now.

I am not optimistic that most pilots will ever know what Jack has been doing on hanggliding.org (since Jack doesn't leave a trail and so few pilots read the US Hawks). This is why our sport is stuck in the mud. It's ruled by a combination of USHPA casting secret ballots and Jack Axaopoulos banning people and changing what they've written. Until this is fixed, it will be hard to make the real reforms which are needed in the sport of hang gliding.
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Re: Jack changes another post on hanggliding.org

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:12 pm

Note: Al's original post (quoted above) is at US Hawks topic: Found this on hang glidng Org.
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Re: Jack Axaopoulos (sg) changes another post on hanggliding

Postby DarthVader » Mon Jul 11, 2011 2:01 am

Say pedophile, Jack Axaopoulos, why don't you come out and play, I know you are reading this Chapete
I know you understand me, do you want me to write to you in your languish Baboso

Pedophile, defend yourself here now queer.

"CHAPETE" is a better name for you Whacko Jacko, it is said just the way it is spelled, Pendejo, that one too. I like little boys.... I bet you do queer we are glad that we can see the real Jack Axaopoulos.

Pilots Is this the kind of guy you want to hang around with, not unless your like him, come on, you can see his real personality plus he's a pedophile and likes little boys He said It I didn't, I got the monkey out of the cage so you can see the real IT.

He will not even defend himself here now when I am calling him out, I am sure Bob will let him sing up so he can defend himself he will not even do that.

I am more than sure, they will let you sing up so you can defend yourself on this forum pedophile

Sing up Whacko Jacko come out and play queer.
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Re: Jack Axaopoulos (sg) changes another post on hanggliding

Postby DarthVader » Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:46 am

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22496 Wacko Jacko has deleated the original site changed wording because of the vulture s*** that he is , If he has the nuts which we all know that he does not, he would sign on to this site and confront me now, but we know that the RAT has got to run back to his hole before he gets squashed it's just a matter of time Punk if you know what that is fool. I know you are reading this Baboso, cause I know how sh%t like you thinks.



You are living proof that man can live without a brain, Jack Axaopoulos "SG" If I wanted to hear from an azz, I'd fart. Bunny Boy, why do you mess kids Wacko Jacko? For $75, you get to make it with a rubber dolly, but don't feel bad, A lot of people have no talent. 8-)

Jack offered to give us our own forum. At the time, I thought it was very generous


Wacko Jacko is not generous in any maner or, form, in fact “The less secure Wacko is, the more likely it is to have extreme prejudice.” and Chapete is one of those ugly types; every one has the right to be ugly, but he abused the
privilege.

I was slightly concerned that it wasn't registered to the Hawks, but I had trusted Jack and so I didn't press the issue (my mistake).

That same pattern repeated itself when I started the HGAA. Jack volunteered to give us our own forum, and again, he registered the domain name and gave himself absolute control of the forum
.

How could you trust a Vulture? Well, on second thought, I don't want to put a Vulture down that low, should I say rather, "Something that a Vulture could eat and deficate from the sky."



So when Jack and I found ourselves disagreeing, he used his power to control the HGAA forum and then, He kicked people off of the HGAA forum without any approval from the HGAA Transition Team, and he kicked people off of the Torrey Hawks forum without any approval from our Board (where I was President!!). He knew I'd raise these issues on hangglidng.org, and that's why he kicked me off there as well. Several people began asking to have me reinstated on hanggliding.org, and Jack sunk that topic to the basement right away (he can do that himself regardless of any vote count). Even with it in the basement and hidden from view, Jack locked that topic so no one else could comment. Since when does Jack lock topics in the basement? What is he afraid of down there?


How can real people support this crap now that there is a new site that CHAPETE cannot Hi-Jack this site
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Re: Jack Axaopoulos (sg) changes another post on hanggliding

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:03 pm

Hi Al,

I can understand your frustration when someone (Jack Axaopoulos in this case) changes your own post to read:

"But I like to touch little boys."

That's a despicable trick that he can get away with because he's moderator of hanggliding.org.

I know it's got to be tough, but don't let his childish behavior bring out the worst in you. That's exactly what he's trying to do. He's provoking you so that he can point to the "bad behavior" on the US Hawks forum. He won't tell people that he started it by defaming your name on his own forum. Trust me, that's his tactic and I've seen it before.

The best approach is to avoid the name calling and stick to the facts of what he's done. They speak for themselves.

Thanks, and thanks for your membership in the US Hawks.

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Re: Jack Axaopoulos (sg) changes another post on hanggliding

Postby DarthVader » Mon Jul 11, 2011 11:29 pm

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Someone has been hanging around some koo koo people it seems. The effect is clear


Yes, Thief, I have chosen sides, and that's a good pilot one who can make quick decisions and is able to reconize problems at hand


Bye bye al, now go cry censorship with your little pity party friends. Its what you wanted to accomplish, keyboard warrior


Yes, I ways do what I want Wacko, your a creep and everything blow that, no different than the idiot down here, you must have all the toys like he does to LEAD THE FLOCK ASTRAY, like oxes to the slaughter.


http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=22496


Interpretation: AL you B**** slapped me in front of everyone and you have accomplished what you wanted, now in re-turn I get to delete what you posted and Re-write what I want about you because I have control of my Word-Press on my web-page... and you hang around with the HAWKS you are now my enemy.



It's that easy Wacko, The way you are creeps me out, your something less of a Coco roacho, which get stepped on and squashed and scraped off the bottom of someone's shoe. You don't control nothing, you are the owner of air, its no different than having a fart in you hands Wacko. I leave you with this Wacko, People knowing the way you are and you getting away with the things you do, the sleepwalkers will not sleep forever and will choose sides, those that are like you will stay with you, those that are not will find another dwelling place, but I like the way you work a real thief, reminds me of an Idiot down here not much diffrent than you, it will not be long before this Roach gets stepped on, your destiny will be similar.
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Re: Jack Axaopoulos (sg) changes another post on hanggliding

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Tue Jul 12, 2011 12:49 am

Hi Al (and Tad, and Scott, and ....),

There's been a lot of injustice in this sport, and I do hope we can fix it. But when all else fails, please remember one of my favorite quotes:

"The best revenge ... is living well."

The best thing we can do to counter these injustices is work to build a better organization here. We should constantly work to make people want to join us. Sure, there will be people who will come here because they've seen the injustices. But we also have to make this site welcoming to those who haven't seen it and who don't know the history of what's been happening. That's the real challenge and I'd like each of us to try to balance some of our "political" posts with some just plain fun or informative posts.

I just got an email message from a new member who was concerned about all the negativity. We can't let this become the complainer's forum. So please look for opportunities to post fun and interesting information. Please strive to at least make one "non-political" post for every "political" post you make. That will go a long way.

Al's last post ended with "Everything has a place and time and time will tell all things". That's very very true Al. So let's enjoy some of our time on this forum and let that time work its magic.

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Re: Jack Axaopoulos (sg) changes another post on hanggliding

Postby Bill Cummings » Wed Jul 13, 2011 9:46 pm

bobk wrote:Hi Al (and Tad, and Scott, and ....),

There's been a lot of injustice in this sport, and I do hope we can fix it. But when all else fails, please remember one of my favorite quotes:

"The best revenge ... is living well."

The best thing we can do to counter these injustices is work to build a better organization here. We should constantly work to make people want to join us. Sure, there will be people who will come here because they've seen the injustices. But we also have to make this site welcoming to those who haven't seen it and who don't know the history of what's been happening. That's the real challenge and I'd like each of us to try to balance some of our "political" posts with some just plain fun or informative posts.

I just got an email message from a new member who was concerned about all the negativity. We can't let this become the complainer's forum. So please look for opportunities to post fun and interesting information. Please strive to at least make one "non-political" post for every "political" post you make. That will go a long way.


Greetings! 1st post from me. (Bill C.)
I said nothing as I took down my Avatar and up dated my personal information by deleting all I could.

I left hang gliding dot org.

So if anything is posted, back there, in my name, since I signed on here, it didn’t come from me.

While I was there at hg dot org I said nothing disrespectful about anyone. If something shows up there that looks disrespectful it was not of my doing.

I was researching sg and US Hawks these past few days and the trick with Al was the straw the broke the camel’s back where I was concerned.

This site looks like it will be my new hang out.

Speaking ill of others or their ideas, and name calling wastes time that would be better spent advancing the sport.

I put up a link to this Hawks site on our clubs message board: http://www.rgsa.info/

I asked the members there to check out the Hawks site since I like what I’m seeing here.
Bill C. :clap:


bobk wrote:Al's last post ended with "Everything has a place and time and time will tell all things". That's very very true Al. So let's enjoy some of our time on this forum and let that time work its magic.

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Re: Jack Axaopoulos (sg) changes another post on hanggliding

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:11 pm

billcummings wrote:Greetings! 1st post from me. (Bill C.)
I said nothing as I took down my Avatar and up dated my personal information by deleting all I could.

I left hang gliding dot org.

So if anything is posted, back there, in my name, since I signed on here, it didn’t come from me.

While I was there at hg dot org I said nothing disrespectful about anyone. If something shows up there that looks disrespectful it was not of my doing.

I was researching sg and US Hawks these past few days and the trick with Al was the straw the broke the camel’s back where I was concerned.

This site looks like it will be my new hang out.

Speaking ill of others or their ideas, and name calling wastes time that would be better spent advancing the sport.

I put up a link to this Hawks site on our clubs message board: http://www.rgsa.info/

I asked the members there to check out the Hawks site since I like what I’m seeing here.
Bill C. :clap:

Welcome aboard, Bill!!! :wave: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :thumbup:

I don't know if you followed the HGAA fiasco, but my original intention there was to build a new national hang gliding association that we're all proud to belong to. I want it to be an organization of pilots and an organization for pilots. Insurance might be a ways off, but if we work to build up our membership, we should be able to do it.

Also, please don't hesitate to offer any suggestions. That's what will make this a better organization. :thumbup:

Thanks again for joining us!!

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Re: Jack Axaopoulos (sg) changes another post on hanggliding

Postby TadEareckson » Thu Jul 14, 2011 7:38 am

Hi Bill,

Happy to see you over here.

Catalyzed by your post to The Davis Show:

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=22227

on 2011/02/02 19:22:43 I attempted to send the following message, with a one meg pdf file attached, to an address of yours - but it bounced.

Skyting newsletters

>
If I still had his 25 year old newsletters I'd scan and post them.

Would that be copyright infringement?
<

Probably - which is why, at this time, I'm sending this to you individually.

I've spent some time with John Woiwode - road tripped with him to Chattanooga when he participated in the '88 Nationals, took a hop on his Magic IV, helped fish him out of a tree at Hyner where he parked a demo glider.

I've read that Wyoming crash report a zillion times and missed the primary cause every one of them. What he did was so incredibly stupid that I blanked on those two sentences 'cause I couldn't comprehend that someone like him was capable of it.

If you need to, take a look 1982/11 Skyting issue to see Donnell almost kill himself the same way.

Since reading your post and having that ten thousand watt lightbulb come on I've reviewed some other lockout incidents. This same bullshit was the cause definitely of one severe crash, quite likely of the Richard Graham fatality, possibly of the Debbie Young fatality, possibly of a non injury platform lockout crash.

And check this one out carefully:

http://www.hanggliding.org/viewtopic.php?t=18868
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ilD-0Mw_9qg

Frank Sauber was I guy I met on my first weekend of lessons (Easter, 1980) at Kitty Hawk Kites. Much love for hang gliding but little aptitude and acrophobic. I worked with him, signed him off on his Two, and did a zillion weekend trips with him.

Seventeen years ago after a little truck towing he submitted an article on it to the DC club newsletter. He said to stay behind the truck. I said "NO, point at the truck." He rewrote the article and I reviewed it. He said to maintain the same heading as the truck. I said "NO, POINT AT THE TRUCK." He eventually grudgingly got something acceptable into print but a little over two years later was killed in a scooter tow lockout.

Makes ya wonder.

Anyway... Good call - that one always REALLY bothered me.

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Ask Doctor Hewett to list for you the issues that need to be addressed for a safe tow flight.
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Doctor Hewett, for all his good intentions and extensive efforts, was - and pretty much is - largely CLUELESS. He got one thing partially right for the wrong reasons and damn near everything else backwards - and that's translated to a lot of death and destruction over the years. If you're using a Hewett Bridle and light weak links - and you are - you don't understand the physics of towing any better than he does.

If you wanna understand towing after thirty years of Dark Ages and how to get it out of the deep and deadly hole he dug for us, you're welcome to participate in the forum Zack set up for me a couple months ago.

http://kitestrings.prophpbb.com/

Otherwise...

MAJOR thanks for the Woiwode catch, bye,
Tad

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Belated happy Groundhog Day.
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