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Postby KaiMartin » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:02 pm

A few notes:
  • The left image in the post by Rick Masters with the caption "Barish sailwing" shows a parafoil. The sailwing is/was the white, red and blue single surface glider on the right. Mr Barish developed two major versions. The first had three arcs and was intended to work as an alternative to the traditional round chutes for returning safely to the ground. The second version had five arcs to achieve better glide. When Mr Barish discovered the ability to launch by foot on steep slopes he tried to promote "slopes soaring" as a summer activity in ski resorts. However, the idea did not catch on. So he turned his attention to other areas.
  • The sailwing was a competitor to the rogallo wing in the NASA program for a safe return to earth.
  • According to the DHV both, Barish and Jalbert got inspiration from Rogallo patents. The similarities to the sailwing are obvious. Rogallo did not build anything similar to the parafoil. However, the rogallo patent US2546078A includes this note: "It should be pointed out that for large kites intended for emergency use, for military or other purposes, the reinforcements, may consist of hollow fabric tubes which are open at their front ends and closed at their rear ends, so as to be inflatable by the Oncoming wind and maintained in shape thereby."
  • Just like Barish, Mr. Jalbert intended his parafoil technique as an improved alternative to the traditional round chute used for skydiving and as a rescue device. And this is what it was mainly used for until paragliding started to become popular in the eighties. Nevertheless, histories of paragliding consistently refer to sporadic parafoil flights launched from steep slopes as early as 1967.

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History page of the DHV: https://www.dhv.de/medien/gleitschirmfliegen-geschichte/
Rogallo patent US2546078A: https://patents.google.com/patent/US2546078A/en
Three ribs sailwing: http://www.parachutehistory.com/other/sailwing.html
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Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Thu Apr 26, 2018 6:20 pm

wingspan33 wrote:I never saw anyone in or even close to a full luff dive. It seems like the kind of thing a pilot would have to make happen.

If you've ever "gone over the falls", it's not too hard to imagine a full luff dive ... or a tumble.  :shock:
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Dangerous Para sports news

Postby eagle » Thu Apr 26, 2018 7:41 pm

Russian Parachute Landing Failure
This will be hard to watch

See Video: https://youtu.be/WHrTWih0rnE

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Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Frank Colver » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:07 pm

I had a couple of foot launch hot air balloon landings similar to that. NOT FUN.

The worst one was being drug about 250 feet up a rocky hillside. Shredded my flannel shirt and a lot of skin.

Fortunately I eventually got the top open and deflated in both instances.

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Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Frank Colver » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:08 pm

Bob Kuczewski wrote:
wingspan33 wrote:I never saw anyone in or even close to a full luff dive. It seems like the kind of thing a pilot would have to make happen.

If you've ever "gone over the falls", it's not too hard to imagine a full luff dive ... or a tumble.  :shock:


A Rogollo without any reflex anywhere or especially a little negative (like the trailing edge hem) could be forced into a full luff dive by the pilot diving it. Once the center of lift passes behind the CG the glider becomes pitch divergent and continues to pitch more and more negative until it is going straight down.

Rogollos that had the 1/2" hem along the sail's trailing edge turned down, instead of up, killed pilots. That's all it took. :cry:

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Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby SamKellner » Thu May 03, 2018 8:14 am

This is a lot of fun to fly! Prop start!
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Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby SamKellner » Sat May 19, 2018 4:57 pm

what's this ?
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Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby wingspan33 » Sat May 19, 2018 6:00 pm

Sam,

As I recall Eipper made the Quicksilver and that picture is probably the foot pedals for the three axis version. Those are definitely Eipper-Formance logo images on those pedals.
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Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby Rick Masters » Sat May 19, 2018 6:52 pm

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Re: Other dangerous sports news

Postby wingspan33 » Sun May 20, 2018 10:09 am

Bob Kuczewski wrote:
wingspan33 wrote:I never saw anyone in or even close to a full luff dive. It seems like the kind of thing a pilot would have to make happen.

If you've ever "gone over the falls", it's not too hard to imagine a full luff dive ... or a tumble.  :shock:



Well, my first glider was a Standard Rogallo back in 1975. Many of the other pilots in Ellenville, NY were also flying the same or similar gliders at that time. I never saw, heard about, or experienced anything close to a full luff dive. I think that full luff dives occurred at sites (on the west coast?) that typically had stronger lift and perhaps more advanced or "radical" pilots flying the gliders.

Also, I flew my glider in the seated position and it was hard to pull in excessively. But I could imagine a pilot with an early prone harness - on a standard Rogallo - pulling in to speed up for good reason, or just for fun, and going a bit too far. Also an early Rogallo wing pilot could have intentionally or mistakenly stalled their glider then had it tuck then fall into a full luff dive. But still, that kind of thing didn't happen in Ellenville back in the day. Standard Rogallos were more dangerous hang gliders that's for sure. I'm glad I never had any significant problem flying mine.

As to "going over the falls" I don't think I knew what that was until sometime in the early to mid 1980s. I've also rarely experienced the effect - in any truly scary way. One thing about the north east is that we are flying over forested hills with thermals being generated by freshly plowed 20-40 acre farm fields. The thermals are fairly gentle. They probably average 200-400 fpm.

BTW - Rick, is poetry now a dangerous sport? Or is it just the way that E. E. Cummings did it? :eh: 8-)
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