[Free]

Is this a joke ? Thu, Aug 25 2011
http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846&start=20

First, I sent Steve a bunch of info offline. Hopefully it clears things up a bit for him.
Unfortunately, he's stumbled onto some of Tad's old rantings and got suckered in. So most of this was just the same old story of debunking Tad's lunacy… again .

See, the thing is… "we", the people that work at and run aerotow parks, have a long track record.
This stuff isn't new, and has been slowly refined over decades.
We have done quite literally hundreds of thousands of tows.
We know what we're doing.

Sure "there's always room for improvement", but you have to realize the depth of experience you're dealing with here.
There isn't going to be some "oh gee, why didn't I think of that?" moment. The obvious answers have already been explored… at length.

Anyway…
Weaklink material… exactly what Davis said.

It's no mystery.
It's only a mystery why people choose to reinvent the wheel when we've got a proven system that works.

Jim Rooney

So.. actually, bent pin releases were developed over decades of refinement by those who know what they are doing.

Then I guess it's case closed..

[Bill Cummings]

Free, you trouble maker you.

[Free]

Zack and the Ridgerodent are the trouble makers.
How dare they question a skygod about anything flying related?

Re: Is this a joke ? Fri, Aug 26 2011, 7:51:12 am

Ok, here's something to chew on, while we're on the topic.
It's not going to taste nice, but it's the god's honest truth.

It's not going to be nice because it's an affront to ego… which goes over like a lead balloon, but again… too bad, it's the truth.

See, the "everyone's opinion is valid" stuff is for the birds.
No. We don't consider everyone's opinion on these topics.

You're late to the game. Very late.
We've been at this a long freaking time. You haven't.
All these "ideas" that people propose, we've already been through… a number of times.

Don't you think that the people that do this day in and day out have maybe… I don't know… ALREADY THOUGHT OF THAT?

We did.
A long time ago.
Not only have we thought this stuff through seven different ways to sunday, we've tested a bunch of this s*** too. And some of it's the stuff that you haven't even gotten around to realizing yet.

It's not cuz we're somehow smarter… we're not.
It's cuz you're LATE!!!
We've just had tons more time at this.

So pardon me if I get a bit irritated at people telling me that I need to reconsider something from someone who's just now getting to something that we've been over a million freakin times already.

Have we explored everything?
No. Of course not.

BUT YOU"RE LATE!
Your ideas have already been hashed through.

This is why this is an affront to ego.
See, people don't like to hear that their special little idea has already been thrown out even before they bring it up.

But that's the gods honest truth.

This is what I'm talking about when I politely inform people that they're not going to be informing me about towing.
It's not that I think I'm "all that"… it's that I've spent more time discussing this s*** with people that know what the hell they're talking about then you have time discussing anything about hang gliding at all.

You're late to the game.
Your special little idea's already been discussed… a long long time ago.

Jim Rooney

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846&start=40

[TadEareckson]

There's some MAJOR damage being done over there to Davis, Rooney, and the Flight Park Mafia, thanks to one or two Kite Stringers. Positions that have been held for decades are collapsing and the enemy is getting lethally mired in all the contradictions.

Anybody who hasn't (yet) been kicked off The Davis Show has a really good opportunity right now to get over there and insert some knives and twist some blades. And we don't wanna hafta worry about a bunch of useless pain-in-the-ass prisoners when this is over - if you get my drift.

Suggested avenues for attack starting at:

http://kitestrings.prophpbb.com/topic14-110.html#p685

Be a part of history. Or, if you're OK with having to tell your grandkid you were busy shoveling shitt in Louisiana...

[DarthVader]

Jim Rooney, talking all that smack, but yet, does not know how to hook into a hang glider, likes to dangle on to his students life-lines while flying through the air, puts a student's life in danger by making him crash into power lines, because he is too busy craping in his pants while hanging on for his dear life, I would have had no problem cutting the life line for him if I was the student, better him than me, Adios amigo have a nice laning I was first to point that out to him, I did not feel sorry for him when he was in the hospital. Is that wrong

We have done quite literally hundreds of thousands of tows.
We know what we're doing

Sure Jim Rooney, learn to hook in to a hang glider first, flying god. If you would had been tandem with me and you're not hooked in the glider, I am going for the hook knife, you would had been a falling angle.

[Free]

I really don't care what the numbers are. I just want my weaklink to break every once in a while.
Bart

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php ... c&start=70

Re: Is this a joke ? Sun, Aug 28 2011, 8:29:27 pm
Jim wrote:
"So most have not seen just how much force it takes to break a smoothly loaded weaklink. It's way more than you'd imagine."

While this may sound a little arrogant, there is a lot of truth in it.
I have had a 582 Dragonfly with a 200 pound pilot in it pretty much suspended vertically from my Northwing T2. Tiki was my passenger. This situation lasted so long that the tug pilot (Neil Harris) had enough time to idle all the way back while looking straight at the ground. This was while practicing slow lockouts at altitude. On other occasions, the same weaklink broke for no apparent reason.
Now I don't give a s*** about breaking strength anymore. I really don't care what the numbers are. I just want my weaklink to break every once in a while.
Bart

But do numbers matter when it's a bent pin doubled up in the release barrel?

Bart Weghorst - 2011/02/25

I've had it once where the pin had bent inside the barrel from excessive tow force. My weaklink was still intact. The tug pilot's weaklink broke so I had the rope. I had to use two hands to get the pin out of the barrel.

No stress because I was high.

[ZackC]

Be a part of history. Or, if you're OK with having to tell your grandkid you were busy shoveling shitt in Louisiana...

Not shoveling shitt (huh?), but I'm on a two week flying vacation right now, so I'm not sure if I'm going to have a chance to contribute any more to the discussion...

Zack

[SamKellner]

Zack,

Enjoy your vacation. Don't waste time on this topic.

[TadEareckson]

Yeah Zack, don't waste your time. If the topic had been REALLY important then why would Davis have locked it down after 131 posts and close to sixty-three hundred hits?

Just leave it to the professionals and experts. They have HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of tows worth of experience - mostly GOOD, have spent twenty years perfecting aerotowing, have ONLY *YOUR* safety in mind, and ALL agree on EVERYTHING.

And all the ones who don't - the ones who care about and use "NUMBERS" (like "pounds" or "Gs") - are full of shitt.

And anyone who thinks the ones who don't and their "NUMBERS" actually make SENSE are trolls.

And you DO NOT wanna be accused by Davis or Rooney or any of their cult members of being a troll. 'Cause ya troll a little too much or often ya get banned.

[TadEareckson]

http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=25129

Sam Kellner - 2011/09/10

Ridgerodent gone?

Wow...

(http://ozreport.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=24846)

...finally dropped off the 1st page.

I was working up some harmony for Rooney Tunes.

Yep. Big surprise.

Hey, here's a thought! Why don't you invite him over here to help with the growth of US Hawks - a national hang gliding organization designed to give all hang glider pilots a platform for sharing information and a focal point for pooling their efforts to further their own flying and the sport of hang gliding.

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26

So I don't give much credence to something that someone doesn't agree with about what we do for some theoretical reason.

Take this weaklink nonsense.
What do I "advocate"?
I don't advocate shitt... I *USE* 130 test lb, greenspun cortland braided fishing line.
It is industry standard.
It is what *WE* use.

If someone's got a problem with it... we've got over ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND TANDEM TOWS and COUNTLESS solo tows that argue otherwise. So they can politely get stuffed.

We can bring a real professional hang glider (and ultralight and paraglider) pilot in to tell us what we can and can't do when we pay him to haul us up with the Dragonfly we bought for him.

We can use him to help determine who gets locked down from forums and banned from public flying facilities.

We can skip over all those long winded "explanations" about flight "theory" and just go with the industry standard - two strands of 130 "greenspun" which blow at whatever anybody feels like saying they do and increase the safety of the towing operation. PERIOD. Especially when your industry standard release locks up.

If we're just gonna be another version of USHGA anyway we might as well bring in all their experts to - when we ask questions, raise issues, and express a desire for accountability - politely tell us to get stuffed.

Any comment, BOB? Or are people like Mike Lake, Zack, Nobody, and Yours Truly less important than certain others in this Brave New World of yours?

P.S. Rigderodent's locked down Davis Show thread is now at close to seventy-two hundred hits so maybe this is an issue worth looking into and discussing over here a bit - even if we do hafta get into a tiny bit of bothersome theory and use some actual numbers.