[Bob Kuczewski]

One of Hawk891’s complaints was, he was not notified of Bob’s policies.

That's a lie and you know it. In your own post you quoted me twice notifying "hawk891" of the rule.

Micheal, when you're caught making false statements, it's best to reverse course immediately. Then your false statements can be viewed as mistakes. When you continue to try to buttress your false statements with more false statements you become viewed as a liar.

When I think back to how we struggled with these issues in 2010, it turns my stomach even more that you would defend the cowardly actions of "hawk891". I won't ban you unless you break our documented rules, but I honestly wish you'd just go away. Your legalistic misinterpretation and misrepresentation of what we've worked to build disgusts me.

[magentabluesky]

Bob you do know about time don’t you?

Time is about one event happening after another event.

You do know what pre notification and post notification is?

Hawk891 first stated he had a belief that the US hawks was a free speech zone.

There was no pre notification as he pointed out in the information presented to him.

You know what the rules were, but he did not.

Then you notified him about what the rules were.

Hawk891 then apologized for the misunderstanding after the post notification.

That is after the discussion went out of control.

Yes, you did notify him. It was a post notification after the discussion went out of control.

The current discussion is about providing a pre notification so new posters know what the rules are before the discussion goes out of control.

What did Hawk891 know and when.

What did Bob know and when.

What did Joe know and when.

Everyone has their own mind and only knows what they know at a particular point in time.

Please be sure you know what you don't know, before you start listing names.

Frank
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The Theory of Mind.

[Bob Kuczewski]

Michael, "hawk891" first posted in the topic titled "Intro and serious freedom of speech concern with this site". That first post was on Feb 18, 2019 at 10:00 am. As documented on this forum, I was hang gliding with Joe Faust at Dockweiler on that day. I didn't find time to reply until later that same day (Feb 18, 2019 7:39 pm). This was my reply:

Hello Hawk891,

So far your speech has been unfettered. But we do have a long standing rule that attacks cannot be made anonymously. You'll notice that people either use their real names or have satisfied us that their real names are known. For example, it's well known that "Free" is Warren Narron. In some cases we have asked for additional verification of identity such as a phone number associated with your real name.

You are welcome to remain anonymous if you like, but then you cannot use your account to attack others. We have witnessed too many fake users posting as "sock puppets" on other forums. That's not fair to the people who do give their real names.

Your posts so far have been clearly critical of Joe Faust, and yet you have not provided your real name. That's fine at this point because you've not been aware of the rule. You are now.

If you would like to talk about hang gliding issues, you're welcome to do so in the main forum. If you want to talk about non hang gliding issues we do have a "Free Speech Zone" for that.

Thank you, and welcome again to the U.S. Hawks.

Michael, your statement below appears to me as an attempt at deception.

Bob you do know about time don’t you?

Time is about one event happening after another event.

You do know what pre notification and post notification is?

Hawk891 first stated he had a belief that the US hawks was a free speech zone.

There was no pre notification as he pointed out in the information presented to him.

You know what the rules were, but he did not.

Then you notified him about what the rules were.

Hawk891 then apologized for the misunderstanding after the post notification.

That is after the discussion went out of control.

Yes, you did notify him. It was a post notification after the discussion went out of control.

The current discussion is about providing a pre notification so new posters know what the rules are before the discussion goes out of control.

What did Hawk891 know and when.

What did Bob know and when.

What did Joe know and when.

Everyone has their own mind and only knows what they know at a particular point in time.

Please be sure you know what you don't know, before you start listing names.

Frank
Link

The Theory of Mind.

[magentabluesky]

Michael, "hawk891" first posted in the topic titled "Intro and serious freedom of speech concern with this site". That first post was on Feb 18, 2019 at 10:00 am. As documented on this forum, I was hang gliding with Joe Faust at Dockweiler on that day. I didn't find time to reply until later that same day (Feb 18, 2019 7:39 pm).

That sounds like the best reason to have pre notification of the rules, a specific US Hawk Policy - The Rules notification icon.

Bob, take responsibility.

[Bob Kuczewski]

Michael, "hawk891" first posted in the topic titled "Intro and serious freedom of speech concern with this site". That first post was on Feb 18, 2019 at 10:00 am. As documented on this forum, I was hang gliding with Joe Faust at Dockweiler on that day. I didn't find time to reply until later that same day (Feb 18, 2019 7:39 pm).

That sounds like the best reason to have pre notification of the rules, a specific US Hawk Policy - The Rules notification icon.

Bob, take responsibility.

We may always improve the site, but you have misrepresented what happened in the case you are complaining about.

But more importantly, have you spoken against Joe's ban on hanggliding.org today? Take responsibility Michael!