[Bob Kuczewski]

Ignore the message as you beat the messenger and its probably just a matter of time before someone can say
"told you so". Can't say you weren't warned.

If we're talking about Tad here, can you tell me, Warren, exactly what is his message?

Thanks.

[Free]

If we're talking about Tad here, can you tell me, Warren, exactly what is his message?

I can not do the message justice as Tad Eareckson, has spent endless energy and hours trying to get his safety message to fellow pilots. Briefly, his message is that people are continuing to do things as they have been doing things, and these things are proven harmful to their health and well being.

One message, in part, that is being ignored/suppressed is on the deadly Davis bent pin release.
The fact that bent pin barrel releases are still being used and the U$HPA Corporation and Davis Straub, has not issued an advisory/warning/recall borders on criminal negligence.

Somewhere, a pilot that isn't advised or aware of this known but suppressed information will suffer the consequences of having a maldesigned Davis Straub release become useless for its intended purpose.
Pilots have already suffered.. to put it mildly.. yet egos and personalities preclude people like Davis from admitting they were ever wrong and Tad Eareckson, is assuredly right on this cheap and easy to fix issue.

To suppress and call Tad's message "garbage" is garbage.
Davis Straub doesn't have a problem launching alongside bodies of dead pilots so as to continue his
self-centered, self-aggrandizing, continuious pecker measuring contest but I expect more out of Sam, Terry and you.

Tad wasn't always so hostile and aggressive. Early on in his quest to change dangerous/dogmatic procedures and improve the chance of safety to his fellow pilots, I was awed at how much crap he actually took... course he finally snapped and let the pent up anger fly and I can't really blame him. Willful ignorance pisses me off too.

Continue to ignore the message and pilots will suffer needlessly.
Don't be surprised if someone points their finger at somebody you know in the process.

[terryJm]

my post on this subject has not been allowed

[Free]

my post on this subject has not been allowed

It must have been a doozie.

[Bob Kuczewski]

my post on this subject has not been allowed

Hi Terry,

Please explain what you mean. What was your post and how was it not allowed?

Thanks.

[ZackC]

If we're talking about Tad here, can you tell me, Warren, exactly what is his message?

Mornin' Tad,
I'll concede there may be a bit more than an ounce of new, useful information in your manifestos. But, in the interest of not having to wade through everything else, please resend this email with those gems of new and useful information highlighted. Those of us who are time-constrained would very much appreciate this small courtesy in all future correspondence as well.

Warm regards,
Chuck

Hi Chuck,

Just for you, a little summary of my previous two thousand pages...

1. Always assume that you and everyone else under a glider at launch are NOT hooked in. Make sure that EVERYONE CHECKS to see that he's connected to the glider AS CLOSE TO THE INSTANT OF LAUNCH AS SAFELY POSSIBLE.

2. Gliders are designed to be flown with both hands on the basetube. The closer to the ground you are the more important this is - despite the totally backwards way everyone insists upon doing it.

3. Never tow with a release which requires you to take a hand off the basetube.

4. Never tow with a release that doesn't work - even if it hasn't killed anyone since last weekend.

5. Use a 1.5 G weak link.

6. It is never the job of the driver or - worse yet - observer to dump the glider.

7. Getting into a field is more important than hitting a spot.

8. Not breaking an arm is more important than landing on your feet.

That's pretty much it - or the best I can do off the top of my head at the moment.

Zack

[Bob Kuczewski]

Hi Chuck,

Just for you, a little summary of my previous two thousand pages...

1. Always assume that you and everyone else under a glider at launch are NOT hooked in. Make sure that EVERYONE CHECKS to see that he's connected to the glider AS CLOSE TO THE INSTANT OF LAUNCH AS SAFELY POSSIBLE.

2. Gliders are designed to be flown with both hands on the basetube. The closer to the ground you are the more important this is - despite the totally backwards way everyone insists upon doing it.

3. Never tow with a release which requires you to take a hand off the basetube.

4. Never tow with a release that doesn't work - even if it hasn't killed anyone since last weekend.

5. Use a 1.5 G weak link.

6. It is never the job of the driver or - worse yet - observer to dump the glider.

7. Getting into a field is more important than hitting a spot.

8. Not breaking an arm is more important than landing on your feet.

That's pretty much it - or the best I can do off the top of my head at the moment.

Tad has a good friend in you, Zack. Thanks for posting that.

For the record, I have no problem with people mentioning and discussing and even linking to Tad's contributions to hang gliding. You may post his quotes here if you feel they are relevant. I would even appreciate Tad's review of our documents and procedures as they are developed, and I will credit him for any work that he contributes.

This is NOT hanggliding.org or USHPA. We do NOT try to "erase" people ... or their contributions on this forum. But there are people who - for whatever reason - are not suited to working productively in a group. Can anyone name a better "poster child" for those people ... than Tad?

[terryJm]

Some of us are discussing hang glider concerns, ie; the proposal to allow jumpers off gliders or de-bagging in flight, when along comes a troll and starts up the old useless argument over distracting, unrelated, already settled issues! This is where the HAWKS is going? Bob, I feel certain you have the power to remove MY contributions from all the threads on the hawks, and move them to 'S.W. Texas hang gliding assn.' so that I at least will not be associated With the non hang gliding Concerns that seem to fascinate the Para-people! THANKS ahead of time for this small request, Terry

[Bob Kuczewski]

Bob, I feel certain you have the power to remove MY contributions from all the threads on the hawks, and move them to 'S.W. Texas hang gliding assn.' so that I at least will not be associated With the non hang gliding Concerns that seem to fascinate the Para-people! THANKS ahead of time for this small request, Terry

Hi Terry,

At this stage of our growth, I'm thankful for everyone who offers sincere posts to this forum. So I very much appreciate everything you've written and shared with our members. In fact, I value the history of what people write to such a high degree, that I want the US Hawks to reflect the truth of what everyone has said ... indefinitely. So I have a policy that anything posted here becomes a permanent record. You can edit or re-edit your post for about an hour, but after that, it's part of the history of this forum. Having said that, I sometimes honor requests to make corrections to individual posts if the purpose is to make the post clearer (or to correct minor spelling/grammar mistakes). But I always want the US Hawks to be a site where what we say matters ... and is respected. That's one of the things that caused the US Hawks to be formed. Davis and Jack were both playing fast and loose with the posts on their forums (Oz and hanggliding.org). I saw posts moved, edited, and even deleted. I don't want to have that repeated here.

I hope you're OK with that, but I'm happy to discuss the pros and cons of that decision if you'd like.

Thanks very much for participating Terry!!

Bob Kuczewski

[howie]

To late already going
Down the same road
Just like H.G.A.A