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Wing Running (WR)

Postby JoeF » Sat May 26, 2012 3:54 pm

Wing Running (WR)
:!: :arrow: :arrow: . All are invited to explore WR and post in this thread on WR aspects--tiny or huge.
Aspects of WR may range over a wide set of concerns and interests.
There is a large non-empty intersection of WR with HG actually and potentially.
Working folder that will regularly advance has been started:
http://www.energykitesystems.net/WingRunning/index.html

Just to start, here are just some titles of sectors in that non-empty intersection of WR with HG:
:idea: Running a packed HG from one place to another.
:idea: Running an assembled HG from one place to another in various wind conditions for various purposes.
:idea: Running a for-soaring-and-gliding HG during a launching sequence (with great variations depending on a host of factors)
:idea: Running during some landings of a HG. (variations, factors, styles, pros and cons, mitigation of challenges)
:idea: Running demo wings like Little Hawk (purposes, places, persons, challenges, alternatives, mitigation of challenges, etc. )
:idea: Running wings in physical-education classes that seed dreams for future HG piloting (making such age appropriate, safe, meaningful, etc.)
:idea: Running Safe-Splat-embellished HGs (at x% of soaring-specification size) to train nerves and muscles for WR mastery for HG purpose.
:idea: Running hang gliders on flats with intent of entering short glide for various purposes (physical training, advertising, wing testing, athletic competition, enjoyment exercise, etc.).
:idea: ?

Those sectors and others that will surface may be explored and developed over time in this thread, at least. Various authors will ultimately summarize and extend descriptions of grown notes found anywhere on the topic. WR might be one of the oldest parts of the dream of flying. A part, not the whole. A preamble, though even as such in itself WR has its merits.

Some tags: WR, WRs, wing runs, wing running, wing run (n), wing run (v.), wing runner, wing runners, wing for running, wings for running, running wings (g.), HG running, running hang glider, running hang gliders, [feel free to identify core tags for the topic]
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Re: Wing Running (WR)

Postby JoeF » Sun May 27, 2012 10:20 am

First announcement:
WWRA
... open and free associating is invited. :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave: :wave:
Anyone at any age or make may consider themselves a wing runner (virtual, actual, potential, master, dreamer, etc.): Joining is by way of self affirmation.
World Wing Running Association

Share your wing-running experiences, notes, designs, safety-critical information, etc.
Your purposes and challenges? Solutions and joys?
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Re: Wing Running (WR)

Postby JoeF » Mon Jun 04, 2012 12:06 pm

There are funnies in WR. There are serious flows too! And spectaculars! There are trainers and introducers.
This note focuses on those WRs who intend to get some hang gliding or PIW gliding distance at the end of an agressive WR on a pier where landing is could better be called "watering." Not all participants do a WR, but many do. Study the style of wing running, assisted wing running, or the null-step (just leap) wing run!
The wing running (WR) series shows a high use of "tentative striding" as well as low-trained striding WR. It takes considerable training to build running muscles and body coordination while running with a wing; the coordination to keep best angle of attack (AoA)for the sector of the running and flying is important. Airspeed for system effectiveness is a big challenge that invites robust training of the running-muscle-coordination that would fit the system chosen. Most Birdman Rally participates seem to be with inadequate airspeed, but with adequate fun quotient. Occasionally an experienced hang glider pilot shows up; at sometimes an advance man-powered PIW system appears. The watering is the "safe-splash" option of Safe-Splat in the Birdman Rallies; most of the pilots would not date do their antics if only dirt was below the launch.

The most infamous of these WRs are found in the series of Birdman rallies held in various places on Earth:
:D :) Human Powered Flight - Birdman Rally 2005 - Coolthrust Crew Here is a strong HPA effort; the WRs just assisted in the launch; the PIW HPA pilot is pedalling and is thus not a WR; but he depended on a category of WRs in the launch sequence. Cousin to WR is HPA!
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There are many more events of similar fun and games.
FOR MORE: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: http://tinyurl.com/FlutagCONTAINSwingrunning
One of the many targets of WWRA: scientific study of the potential extremes of WR.
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Re: Wing Running (WR)

Postby JoeF » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:12 am

Wing running in launch of manned kite into hang glide for a running landing.
Motive power for line-speed multiplier (LSM): ganged kite trains. Each individual kite train may be controlled for AoA to change amount of contributed tension. Handy trains ganged may accumulate as much final ganged tension as one might need for specific purpose. Multiple purposes may range over pumping, electric generation, material moving, hang glider launching, physical recreational exercising, tree-stump pulling, material testing, etc. Each kite train would have its own stops, safety-downing line, and AoA controls. Scalable.

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Fusstart ::: Filler video with some wing running (WR) at launch and at landing:
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Re: Wing Running (WR)

Postby JoeF » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:12 pm

Notice that the kite trains may be replaced by:
1. Drogue chute set in a river.
2. Team of friends.
3. Mass falling in a well hole.
4. Set of sandbags falling from tripods. Gang of tripods.
5. Karts full of water or sand or ore set on inclines and let roll.
6. Sets of bungee cords ganged to pull the LSM end.
7. Flywheel that was loaded by way of wind energy or friends' energy or self energy;
Engage the flywheel to pull the LSM drive line when towing is initiated.
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Filler graphic: Consider wing running (WR) control frames on which one may place various experimental wings. Aim for Safe-Splat in the control frames.
Here is sketch of a two-ring control frame has the two rings X relating; upper X allows exchanges of various wings; lower X may hold parallel bars for pilot; the lower parts of ring could be part of the ski-Safe-Splat system.
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Re: Wing Running (WR)

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:01 pm

Here are some "wing running" photos at Crestline Airpark with Little Hawk taken on May 27th, 2012.

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Re: Wing Running (WR)

Postby JoeF » Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:30 pm

Little Hawk delights so many. Nice day of WR, BobK ! Image

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From the post: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=703&
and its first John Heiney's Demo Reel arrives an introductory image involving early-age wing running (WR):
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... perhaps an archetype for a dream that seems timeless.

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Branching is a term that has been used for high jumping; jump up and touch a tree's branch; jump over a branch of a tree that is in one's way.
Also, use arms as branches that hold leaves (wings) in the wind; run with those branches with leaves (trees' feathers or trees' kites--leaves with little kite-line stems). Trees know birds; and while the tree is dreaming of running--it cannot--, the tree opts to let birds perch, nest, launch and land, and even wing run along the tree's branches. Humans have fashioned flying kites just with leaves from plants. The tree has been the source of kite and kite-glider spars; and such will occur again with advanced design and material techniques. Run with wings fashioned from trees ...

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The gait and muscle use is very different in various WR scenarios. Halting steps in downhill WR uses muscles in the legs in a different way from driving steps running on the flat and driving steps going uphill. Care to train the muscles for running in the various scenes could become part of a WR's days and months. Picking up those feet, so as not to stumble! Attaining low bounce while staying in good control of desired ground speed while attaining airspeed over one's wings to one's delight is no little challenge, especially when power and mastery are visioned.

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Protect thy neck, face, teeth, cranium! Nature seems to call out a serious tone when one is running at a fast pace with branched wings held or attached. Smashes and crashes at stumbles, trips, invite invention, study, and care. Protect thy tail for some! Come home for dinner fully able for a tomorrow's WR! ;)

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In the 1971 renaissance Otto Meet, there was a huge amount of wing running (WR).
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Re: Wing Running (WR)

Postby JoeF » Tue Jun 12, 2012 9:26 am

Moon-walk WR in landing a high performance HG with a sector of halting running WR to terminate:
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Re: Wing Running (WR)

Postby JoeF » Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:54 am

Legend:
"null basebar of A-frame" has no material present for the basebar while there are still side members.
A-frame with near parallel sides has a virtual triangle that is represented, even in the case of absolute parallelism (almost impossible to actually materialize) where the virtual apex is very high or perhaps even at the infinite point zenith.

Will the A-frame of Pilcher (where the basebar becomes a null basebar made possible by a high-hat compression member and high-hat lines tensionally closing two kingposts against the compression member) be one tactic for wing running (WR) and hang gliding?
Most of us know our basebars of our A-frame as a solid bar that is in tension during positive-loaded flight (and thus sometimes with a safety backup buried cable inside the basebar ready to take tension if the basebar becomes broken in any manner that would not let tension be held). A number of ways of construction provide a null basebar (no material present in the A-frame where popularly we find the basebar). One method is sturdy downtubes from a frame in the wing; another is rigid lateral flying struts. Another is that which is found in Pilcher's hang glider of old.
Why? The open space leave full room for running. Woopy pilots have the two sides and the null basebar. A very neat rigid wing hang glider had two parallel (nearly) A-frame control side tubes and the null basetube.
See: Sano Hisato
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Re: Wing Running (WR)

Postby JoeF » Thu Jun 21, 2012 12:04 pm

Sharing a lateral letter:

On 10 June 2012 16:51, Joe Faust wrote:
Thanks, Tony C,

ePF ... electric personal flight; but with recharge from use of kite energy, wind-turbine, pilot-muscle input, solar energy, and regenerative energy when soaring lift is great and abundant.

Site appearance is inviting and pleasant.

I sent reference of your doing to Dean Sigler who has had particular interest in small multiple motors for ePF.

A pet first goal of mine is eHG: Limit the AGL to 30 m and hone the e-system just to be not more than needed to attain a climb out of the 30 m off level land. Use fast running and then turn on the props for a climb; then have not much energy left at 30 m for a practice glide and practice running landing. The scenario would not be just for training, but for fun, physical fitness. Ultimate dream is to have the frame of the wing BE AN ULTRACAPACITOR itself for such purpose. Then upon landing, tap stored charge source for a recharge of the ultracap wing frame. Then run like mad, trigger e-driven props and climb again to 30 m for a short glide and running landing. The system would be equipped with "Safe-Splat" mitigation to care for any stumbling that may occur at take-off run or running landing. Focus is on the running... WWRA World Wing Running Association with the e-climb enhancement.

Be well,
Joe
CC: Tony P. who clued me to your site.

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