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Re: Bob Kuczewski Speaks up for Pilot Oversight at Torrey Pi

Postby Bill Cummings » Sun Sep 22, 2013 6:51 pm

Would the people that originally sued the City be interested to know that the City is no longer following the stipulations that the City settled on?

Do they know that the agreement for oversight was improperly enacted in the first place? (43b instead of 43a) Or (That a “Sun Set.” clause was even slipped in?)

Are they satisfied that their efforts were underhandedly undermined from the start?

I’m wondering if your time, working toward a 43a permanent advisory board which may eventually lead to the City Council simply not taking its advice, could be better spent attacking the problem from some different angle? Just what-- I haven’t thought up yet. :?:
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Re: Bob Kuczewski Speaks up for Pilot Oversight at Torrey Pi

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Sep 22, 2013 8:39 pm

billcummings wrote:Would the people that originally sued the City be interested to know that the City is no longer following the stipulations that the City settled on?


That's part of the problem. The "people" who originally sued are essentially a one-man (or one-woman in this case) law office that appears to do "hit and run" work regarding environmental issues. That lawyer got their $20,000 for winning the case, and they haven't cared to see any enforcement. The law suit was by the "Coastal Law Enforcement Action Network" (CLEAN), and I haven't gotten any positive response from my efforts to follow up.

billcummings wrote:Do they know that the agreement for oversight was improperly enacted in the first place? (43b instead of 43a) Or (That a “Sun Set.” clause was even slipped in?)


I did find the attorney who filed the suit posting on an environmental web site, and so I asked her about it. She initially sounded like she'd do something, but then didn't follow through. I kept persisting, but it became apparent that she didn't seem to care.

billcummings wrote:Are they satisfied that their efforts were underhandedly undermined from the start?


I think they got their money and don't care any more. It may also be that this particular lawyer is tied in to some of the RC pilots who currently control the Soaring Council. The Soaring Council is 3/7ths RC pilots, 2/7ths Sailplane pilots, and 2/7ths hang gliding and paragliding pilots (essentially 1/7 HG and 1/7 PG). But the Advisory Board was fair (1/4 for RC, 1/4 for sailplane, 1/4 for HG, and 1/4 for PG). So the RC's are happy to see the Advisory Board fade away and have the Soaring Council take its place. Now the law suit was filed during a period when the Soaring Council had gone defunct (2006?), and maybe if the RC's were behind the law suit, they might have been happy to have any advisory Board. But when the Council started meeting again (spring of 2007), they may have liked the balance on that body better than the Advisory Board, so they may have told CLEAN to not push the matter and let the Advisory Board die out.

billcummings wrote:I’m wondering if your time, working toward a 43a permanent advisory board which may eventually lead to the City Council simply not taking its advice, could be better spent attacking the problem from some different angle? Just what-- I haven’t thought up yet. :?:


Bill, the fact that you know the difference between a 43a and a 43b tells me that you are really paying attention!! Please let me know if you're ever running for anything, because you've got my support based on that alone!!! :thumbup:

We have been working other avenues as well. Our club members had several meetings with Mayor Filner, and it appeared as if he was going to fix it (in fact his words to me after our first meeting were "I will fix it"). But if you've been following our local San Diego scandals, you'll know that he was forced out of office by threats of legal action against him for alleged misconduct. :(

We have an interim Mayor for a few months while the City holds another election.

Politics ... sheesh!!
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Re: Bob Kuczewski Speaks up for Pilot Oversight at Torrey Pi

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Thu Sep 26, 2013 12:17 pm

Here's my speech to the San Diego City Council on Tuesday, September 24th (thanks Margie!!).

In my last speech, I had left a "cliff hanger" hinting at the connection between David Jebb (Torrey Pines Concessionaire) and former Mayor (and former Chief of Police) Jerry Sanders.

In this speech, I use quotes from Jebb's book which suggest that Jebb (also a former San Diego Police Officer) may have been operating outside the law under a "secret" program known only to Jebb and a few of his superiors in the San Diego Police Department:



If this is true, then it's quite likely that Jebb's "untouchable" status with regard to the City stems from promises made to keep this illegal activity quiet. It's hard to say where this will lead, but it looks exactly like the kind of corruption that I've been suspecting for years.
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Re: Bob Kuczewski Speaks up for Pilot Oversight at Torrey Pi

Postby JoeF » Fri Sep 27, 2013 8:14 pm

Wow! Speedy speaker.
Are any journalists onto the matter?
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Re: Bob Kuczewski Speaks up for Pilot Oversight at Torrey Pi

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon Sep 30, 2013 10:54 am

JoeF wrote:Wow! Speedy speaker.

They give you 3 minutes ... and I don't want to get cut off in the middle of a sentence. I often practice with a stopwatch the night before so I can fit it all in.   :)

JoeF wrote:Are any journalists onto the matter?

Not yet. I'm beginning to feel that journalism isn't what it used to be. It seems more and more of what passes for "news" is all fluff and no substance.
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Re: Bob Kuczewski Speaks up for Pilot Oversight at Torrey Pi

Postby Bill Cummings » Mon Sep 30, 2013 9:38 pm

Diogenes carried a lamp in the day time looking for a honest man. If he were to show up at San Diego council meeting they would just steal his lamp! :roll:
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Re: Bob Kuczewski Speaks up for Pilot Oversight at Torrey Pi

Postby majiemae » Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:31 am

The following video shows feedback from people who've spoken up about negative experiences at the Torrey Pines Gliderport.

Hopefully, the city council will recognize what Bob K is trying to accomplish here - that it's not just bullying and the obvious disregard of city rules - but other things as well.



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Re: Bob Kuczewski Speaks up for Pilot Oversight at Torrey Pi

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:30 am

Thanks Margie!!!      :thumbup: :wave: :thumbup: :clap: :clap: :thumbup: :wave:

The City TV appears to have cut off my slides, so here they are in an animated GIF. Each slide appears for somewhere between 3 and 10 seconds. It starts playing when you open this topic, so it might be part-way through by the time you've scrolled down to this post. If so, just wait for the black frames followed by the title page that marks the beginning of the slides:

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Re: Bob Kuczewski Speaks up for Pilot Oversight at Torrey Pi

Postby Bill Cummings » Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:01 am

bobk wrote:
SamKellner wrote:Way to go BobK. Sounds well prepared, very professional.
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Thanks BobK. :thumbup: :clap:


The City Council only gives you 3 minutes to make your speech. So I'm often up until the wee hours of the morning with a stop-watch timing myself over and over and over to be sure I can get it all said ... in 3 minutes!!

:crazy:

Three minutes isn’t much time. :idea: It could fall within the council meetings procedure that the person after you (a HG person) picks up the narrative right where you left off to hit the council with a total of six minutes. Three people would give you nine minutes and so on. But alas, finding people willing to carry the load like you have are difficult to find.
A pregnant pause to allow statements to sink in can be quite powerful.
Like right after you addressed Sherri Lightner would have been a good time for a pause. Silence then would allow the focus on Sherry to seem more profound than noise. It would allow the attention on her to be excruciatingly intolerable for someone whose image is what will keep or remove her from the council.
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Re: Bob Kuczewski Speaks up for Pilot Oversight at Torrey Pi

Postby majiemae » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:09 pm

Okay, this week Bob K is starting to challenge the city's process with RFPs (Request for Proposal).

See for yourself:

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