[wingspan33]

I visited the Oz Report within the last hour or so and found the below attached message to me in response to a posting that I had made recently.

Under NYS Criminal Law this constitutes a Hate Crime. Since the message was clearly aimed at myself (as a response, and quoting a message that was earlier posted by myself) it is beyond question that I was the intended target. I WILL proceed with the required legal complaints necessary to address this criminal act. There are certain indications that this person is (or has been) associated with the concessionaire at Torrey Pines. One thing leads to another, . . .

Time will tell.

S C Wise

[SamKellner]

it looks like the topic has been totally removed.
I got a pm this morning from Bill Floyd, billefly.
Although we were never close friends, I knew Bille when I lived in Reg3, '76 to '84
After his more recent FTHI accident that resulted in the loss of his legs, I lured him to join OZforum by posting some old pics of Torrey.

Inbox :: Message

From: BilleFly Quote message
To: Sam Kellner
Posted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:36 pm
Subject: REALLY ?

Hi Bille

Does that mean we have to selectively forget? ? ? ?.

Spoken like a true Torrey insider/tandem pilot that you are. At least from days gone by.

HA !! Or was I supposed to forget that too? :]

San Diego is in the national news today. City corruption.
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Sorry you feel that way Sam.

S C Wise got TWO threads Locked in one week ,(last week) ; i never did that !

Bob K got booted Off this forum ; so mister S C Wise starts posting FOR HIM !!

And last -- i haven't flown a tandem at Torry since 1989 ; that's a Far cry from an insider ?

Bille

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GOOD RUSH !!!

[Bob Kuczewski]

Moderator's Note: I've duplicated this topic in the "Hang Gliding General" forum because it certainly relates to hang gliding.

From my understanding, Davis actually told Scott that he could post things written by me. So Davis can't legitimately turn around and blame Scott for doing what Davis said he could do. Of course, the key word there is "legitimately".

I have to say that it's particularly disturbing (and scary) how Davis just deletes entire topics as if the many people (not just Scott) posting their thoughts and sharing information in those discussions just don't matter. All those posts are now just gone. Poof.

This is very similar to what Jack has done on hanggliding.org. That's why we really need a national hang gliding forum that's accountable to its members. We're not fully there yet at the US Hawks, but we're firmly committed to moving in that direction.

[Bob Kuczewski]

it looks like the topic has been totally removed.

Is there anyone left on the planet who feels they can trust Davis Straub's site as an impartial and honest view of what's going on in hang gliding?

        ... anyone?

[wingspan33]

Up Date-

Hello All,

Last evening I was checking a thread that I had revived - over on Davis Straub's Oz Report Hang Gliding Forum. The thread was entitled "SGAA Coup d'état Almost Complete" .

An Oz Report member had replied to my earlier post. His username is BilleFly (Bill Floyd of Las Vegas, NV) and this is what he posted:

BilleFly - 2014/12/13 21:20:13

Quoting a guy from nearly 5 years ago ?
HA !!

With the name --S C Wise-- attached to the request ; "That" would be enough
to keep Me away from your Hawks .
Dude -- you got some Serious mental issues ; probably Why you hang with Bob ? !!!
Translation = you got Crap for brains .

Bille

In my wonderful State of NY the above electronically transmitted statement falls with the definition of 2nd Degree Criminal Harassment. Not such a harsh Misdemeanor crime. Usually it only (?) involves fines and/or up to two years in jail.

But such an individual as Mr. Floyd doesn't get off that easily. By including the statement, "Dude -- you got some Serious mental issues", Mr. Floyd defined his harassment as based on HIS perception of me as a person with a mental disability (i.e., "crap for brains"). In so doing, Mr. Billy Floyd elevated his harassment to the degree that it falls under NYS's Hate Crime statutes.

As a result, he is now guilty of a FELONY offense (here in NYS). His action - as taken from another State - is likely to shield him from criminal prosecution. But it does not bar me from filing a civil complaint in my local Federal Court.

And, as far as the OZ Report goes (and its publisher Davis Straub) he has responsibilities under the law to report criminal activity associated with his transmission (i.e., publication) of electronic media* - otherwise Known as "The OZ Report Web Site".

As it ends up, I responded last night to BilleFly (A.K.A. Billy Floyd) with the following message:

BilleFly,

Your post amounts to a violation of NYS Harassment and Hate Crime Laws. I will first describe such to Mr. Davis Straub. Then, I will take legal action against you personally. Since I expect that you are "out of State" these actions will be Federal in nature. If Mr. Straub declines to give me detailed information on your IP address (and other such relevant information) I will include him in any such Federal Complaint I submit. I would suggest you find an attorney ASAP.

S C Wise

As I understand what has happened since last night, . . .

Davis Straub has destroyed evidence connected with the commission of a felony. He (or his agents?) has done so by deleting all pages of the involved thread. Also, somewhere along the way my ability to sign into the Oz Forum has been disabled.

At this point in time it seems that Mr. Davis Straub is apparently acting to cover up Mr. Billy Floyd's criminal "tracks". And, in shutting me out of The OZ Report Forum, Mr. Straub is placing himself (to put it very mildly) in a very poor moral position. Deleting/cutting the subject of harassment from your web site, . . . ? Isn't that like killing the victim so you don't have to arrest the criminal? As things stand, The Oz Report Forum has a demonstrated record of looking the other way in regard to violations of its own Site Rules, . . . ? ? ? ?

I would finally mention that I've had recent email correspondence with The OZ Report's "Scare" about another prior personal attack on a different thread. Such attacks are supposed to be disallowed on the site. (? ? ? ?) Harassment and defamation by one member of The Oz Report against another seems to be A-Okay - over there in the land of OZ.



[* As it is sent out to and received by many individuals in many locations within the United States. ]

[Rick Masters]

[wingspan33]

Seriously,




We are talking about the "monkeys" on the Oz Report?

[SamKellner]

        ... anyone?

I can't believe anyone would use that type language.

Davis had just said how Bob was banned for "personal attacks". Which I doubt is true.

Then Bille Floyd comes off with that garbage which obviously adds up to "personal attacks" and more.

Throwing us a curve? Honest Impartial If they banned members for personal attacks Bille should get the boot.

I'm glad I was able to post that one reply.

[Rick Masters]

We are talking about the "monkeys" on the Oz Report?

When you make the monkeys mad, you know what they start throwing...

[wingspan33]

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And I would like to thank you for that reply! Thanks.

        ... anyone?

I can't believe anyone would use that type language.

Davis had just said how Bob was banned for "personal attacks". Which I doubt is true.

Then Bille Floyd comes off with that garbage which obviously adds up to "personal attacks" and more.

Throwing us a curve? Honest Impartial If they banned members for personal attacks Bille should get the boot.

I'm glad I was able to post that one reply.