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Re: Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Postby wingspan33 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:48 am

Bob's hearing is in a few hours. When that is over with we may have a better idea of how deep the corruption goes. The judge he'll be seeing is a Democrat selected for the position by the previous Governor Arnold S. (The Terminator!) - from the sources I found. Hopefully, she is fair minded. While that is supposed to be true of EVERY judge, it is not always the case. As I say above, we will know better later today.

BEST OF LUCK BOB!
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Re: Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Postby Rick Masters » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:53 am

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. -- First Amendment of the United States Constitution

State constitutions provide free speech protections similar to those of the U.S. Constitution. In a few states, such as California, a state constitution has been interpreted as providing more comprehensive protections than the First Amendment. The Supreme Court has permitted states to extend such enhanced protections, most notably in Pruneyard Shopping Center v. Robins.* In that case, the Court unanimously ruled that while the First Amendment may allow private property owners to prohibit trespass by political speakers and petition-gatherers, California was permitted to restrict property owners whose property is equivalent to a traditional public forum (often shopping malls and grocery stores) from enforcing their private property rights to exclude such individuals.

* In American constitutional law, this case is famous for its role in establishing two important rules:
(1) under the California Constitution, individuals may peacefully exercise their right to free speech in parts of private shopping centers regularly held open to the public, subject to reasonable regulations adopted by the shopping centers
(2) under the U.S. Constitution, states can provide their citizens with broader rights in their constitutions than under the federal Constitution, so long as those rights do not infringe on any federal constitutional rights. - Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pruneyard_ ... _v._Robins
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I previously stated that I would not want to be anyone in that courtroom except BobK. That holds true. It's not a matter of luck or some judge's opinion, it's a matter of law.
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Re: Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Postby Free » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:29 am

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You guys seem to be operating under the delusion that America is a country that lives under an uncorrupted rule of law. Bob may be lucky to survive without being incarcerated, tazed, choked, beaten or shot to death. The whole system is corrupt and just laws and the Constitution do not apply in today's commercial courts.

You don't think the Supreme Court is there to protect your rights, do ya?


https://www.rutherford.org/publications ... _cop_short

Ignorance Is No Excuse for Wrongdoing, Unless You’re a Cop [SHORT]

By John W. Whitehead
December 16, 2014


With Orwellian irony, the U.S. Supreme Court chose December 15, National Bill of Rights Day to deliver its crushing blow to the Fourth Amendment.

Although the courts have historically held that ignorance of the law is not an excuse for breaking the law, in its 8-1 ruling in Heien v. State of North Carolina, the Supreme Court gave police in America one more ready excuse to routinely violate the laws of the land, this time under the guise of ignorance.

The Heien case, which started with an improper traffic stop based on a police officer’s ignorance of the law and ended with an unlawful search, seizure and arrest, was supposed to ensure that ignorance of the law did not become a ready excuse for government officials to routinely violate the law.

It failed to do so.

In failing to enforce the Constitution, the Court gave police the go-ahead to justify a laundry list of misconduct, from police shootings of unarmed citizens to SWAT team raids, roadside strip searches, and the tasering of vulnerable individuals.

“I didn’t know it was against the law” was the excuse police used to justify their repeated tasering of eight-months pregnant Malaika Brooks during a routine traffic stop simply because she refused to sign a speeding ticket. The cops insisted they weren’t aware that repeated electro-shocks qualified as constitutionally excessive and unreasonable force.

“I thought he was reaching for a gun.” That was the excuse given when a police officer repeatedly shot 70-year-old Bobby Canipe during a traffic stop. The cop saw the man reaching for his cane and, believing the cane to be a rifle and fearing for his life, opened fire. Police excused the shooting as “unfortunate” but “appropriate.”

“He was resisting arrest.” That was the rationale behind Eric Garner being placed in a fatal chokehold by police for allegedly resisting their attempts to arrest him for selling loose cigarettes.

And then you have the Heien case, which, while far less traumatic than Eric Garner’s chokehold death, was no less egregious in its defiance of the rule of law.

In April 2009, a police officer stopped Nicholas Heien’s car, allegedly over a faulty brake light, and during the course of the stop and subsequent search, found a sandwich bag’s worth of cocaine. In North Carolina, where the traffic stop took place, it’s not actually illegal to have only one working brake light. However, Heien—the owner of the vehicle—didn’t know that and allowed the search, which turned up drugs, and resulted in Heien’s arrest. When the legitimacy of the traffic stop was challenged in court, the arresting officer claimed ignorance and the courts deemed it a “reasonable mistake.”

I’m not sure which is worse: law enforcement officials who know nothing about the laws they have sworn to uphold, support and defend, or a constitutionally illiterate citizenry so clueless about their rights that they don’t even know when those rights are being violated.

This much I do know: going forward, it will be that much easier for police officers to write off misconduct as a “reasonable” mistake.

Whether it’s police officers breaking through people’s front doors and shooting them dead in their homes or strip searching innocent motorists on the side of the road, these instances of abuse are continually validated by a judicial system that kowtows to virtually every police demand, no matter how unjust, no matter how in opposition to the Constitution.

Indeed, as I point out in my book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, the police and other government agents have, with the general blessing of the courts, already been given the authority to probe, poke, pinch, taser, search, seize, strip and generally manhandle anyone they see fit in almost any circumstance.

Just consider some of the Court’s pro-police state rulings in recent years:

In Navarette v. California, the Court declared that police officers can stop cars based only on “anonymous” tips. This ruling came on the heels of a ruling by the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals in U.S. v. Westhoven that driving too carefully, with a rigid posture, taking a scenic route, and having acne are sufficient reasons for a police officer to suspect you of doing something illegal, detain you, search your car, and arrest you—even if you’ve done nothing illegal to warrant the stop in the first place.

In Maryland v. King, a divided Court determined police can forcibly take your DNA, whether or not you’ve been convicted of a crime. And in an effort to make life easier for “overworked” jail officials, the Court ruled in Florence v. Burlington that police can subject Americans to virtual strip searches, no matter the “offense.”

In an 8-1 ruling in Kentucky v. King, the Supreme Court gave police greater leeway to break into homes without a warrant, even if it’s the wrong home. In Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of the State of Nevada, a majority of the high court agreed that it’s a crime to not identify yourself when a policeman asks your name. And now we’ve got Heien v. North Carolina, which gives the police a green light to keep doing more of the same without fear of recrimination.

Given the turbulence of our age—with its police overreach, military training drills on American soil, domestic surveillance, profit-driven prisons, asset forfeiture schemes, wrongful convictions, and corporate corruption—it’s not difficult to predict that this latest Supreme Court ruling will open the door to even greater police abuses.

For those still deluded enough to believe they’re living the American dream—where the government represents the people, where the people are equal in the eyes of the law, where the courts are arbiters of justice, where the police are keepers of the peace, and where the law is applied equally as a means of protecting the rights of the people—it’s time to wake up.

We no longer have a representative government, a rule of law, or justice. Liberty has fallen to legalism. Freedom has fallen to fascism. Justice has become jaded, jaundiced and just plain unjust.

The dream has turned into a nightmare.

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Re: Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Postby wingspan33 » Wed Dec 17, 2014 11:31 am

Rick,

I gave some thought to my "GOOD LUCK" statement as I was wording it. "Luck" is such a nebulous thing. In this (literal) case there should be NO Doubt that Bob K should walk out of the Court Room a happy and vindicated man. Unfortunately, it is not beyond the realm of possibility that "justice" in this situation may be perverted.

So many of us here have concluded that corruption is involved with the Torrey Pines Concessionaire's (Air California Adventure Inc.) position that I almost feel like it is FACT. And since the City of San Diego is irrevocably linked to the Concessionaire (Air California Adventure Inc.) it's more or less impossible to believe that the corruption doesn't flow in both directions. Under such circumstances there are times when a judge is TOLD (behind closed doors) how to rule on a case - before the case is even heard!

If justice were incorruptible, I would agree that Bob K needs not be wished any luck at all. If justice is served in this case, I agree that Bob is the person who I'd like to be in that courtroom today. One thing that is beyond question in my mind is that the individuals who are opposing Bob in court today are the very real and true criminals.
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Re: Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Postby SamKellner » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:24 pm

wingspan33 wrote:Bob's hearing is in a few hours. BEST OF LUCK BOB!


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Re: Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Postby Jacmac » Wed Dec 17, 2014 7:38 pm

Just to let you all know, this entire site has been archived to paper, courtesy of the plaintiff! Bob will not have to worry about a site backup I guess.

In all seriousness, Bob had a good deal of support show up for his defense, and I was proud that so many were willing to step forward on his behalf. None of us were able to testify, in fact, only Gabe Jebb was able to complete his testimony. I'm afraid it wasn't fun to listen to, but what would anyone expect in a case like this? I believe the judge is going to be totally fair based on what I saw. The hearing is going to be continued on the 30th, so it will be a few weeks before this matter is resolved (I hope it doesn't end up going longer). In my layman's opinion, Bob's lawyer did a pretty good job, especially when you consider that he doesn't know a great deal about flight operations for HG/PG and probably not much about the USHPA and such. He was able pin a few issues down, and the Judge also was able to pin a few things down. Seems odd that the Judge would start asking questions, but they can in these types of civil hearings.

I don't think Bob needs luck, he just needs the truth to come out.
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Re: Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Postby eagle » Wed Dec 17, 2014 10:44 pm

Gab Jeb take the stand ~ Latest Artist Rendition
How Dumb can Ya Look

The Pin Drop Question ?
Have You Ever had Bob K. threaten or commit a act of violence .

~ Duhhhhh Yhaaaaa Ahhhh NOPE , He Hasn't ~

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Re: Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Thu Dec 18, 2014 12:10 am

eagle wrote:The Pin Drop Question ?
Have You Ever had Bob K. threaten or commit a act of violence .

~ Duhhhhh Yhaaaaa Ahhhh NOPE , He Hasn't ~


That was a pretty pivotal moment, and it was nice to see the judge cut to the heart of the matter and ask that crucial question.

At this point, I think the video would resolve the matter completely ... however, Robin's lawyer is objecting to the introduction of the video claiming that it might have been "edited".

A lot will hang on the judge's decision on the admissibility of the only real evidence we have. Keep your fingers crossed.

I also want to thank everyone who came to the hearing. Every single person sitting on my side of the aisle knew that they might be subjecting themselves to future retaliation for speaking up. I salute everyone willing to take that chance to bring justice to a fellow pilot. Thanks!!!

Jacmac wrote:I don't think Bob needs luck, he just needs the truth to come out.

Amen.
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Re: Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Postby Free » Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:23 pm

bobk wrote: At this point, I think the video would resolve the matter completely ... however, Robin's lawyer is objecting to the introduction of the video claiming that it might have been "edited".


So now you have two lawyers on different side that don't want the video shown, beneficial to both at your expense.

A lot will hang on the judge's decision on the admissibility of the only real evidence we have. Keep your fingers crossed.


Yeah, lets all hold our breath and hope the giant wheels of justice and one judge do their duty and actually look at the evidence.
I also want to thank everyone who came to the hearing. Every single person sitting on my side of the aisle knew that they might be subjecting themselves to future retaliation for speaking up. I salute everyone willing to take that chance to bring justice to a fellow pilot. Thanks!!!


I hope they all got to see the video before they took the risk.
They may feel really foolish if later the actual unedited video shows Bob using his neural linguistic expertise to cruelly torment that poor instructor into doing something we might have all done in similar circumstance?
How many might have shown up if they had seen an actual social injustice being committed on yootube before the hearing?

Jacmac wrote:I don't think Bob needs luck, he just needs the truth to come out.

I'm all for that.
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Re: Jailed for taking pictures at Torrey

Postby wingspan33 » Fri Dec 19, 2014 1:25 pm

Free,

Bob's lawyer doesn't want Bob to release the video to the public - before the Hearing process is done. I think he's very in favor (from what I know) of having the video shown to the Court.

As to the judge postponing a decision on the opposing lawyer's motion to disallow the video, . . .

Well, on Wednsday, Gabe Jebb had to sit and give testimony not knowing if the judge (in the end) might decide to admit the video into evidence. When the Hearing resumes, EVERY OTHER witness against Bob will also be thinking that the judge may allow the video.

Now, if they knew the video was excluded, then they could lie on the stand and know it's just their word(s) against Bob's (and his character witnesses).

As things stand, the opposing parties (as they have acted against Bob K) are thinking VERY HARD about what they will say on the witness stand. Risk being found to have committed perjury, or, . . . honestly say that Bob is, in fact, no real danger to anyone (i.e., that they made their complaint up out of whole cloth).

Personally, I like how this judge is operating. I think that if she feels the complaining parties are lying - or seriously stretching the truth - she will allow the video.

If I was Robin Marien, Gabriel Jebb and company, I would DROP the request for a restraining order against Bob. Could be that once done, it can't be taken back. In that case the Air California Adventure Inc. folks should prepare for needing a good amount of BAIL money.

And - If some friend of Air California Adventure Inc., or an agent for Air California Adventure Inc. is reading this, . . . I wish I could be in court when you Air California Adventure Inc. folks take the stand on Dec. 30th!

I think (clear, obvious and intentional) perjury is a FELONY offense.


* * * *

Judge: "Please play the video."

A.C.A. Inc. Owner and Staff: :shock: . :shock: . :shock: . :shock: . :shock: . :shock:

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