[Bob Kuczewski]

Hi Warren,

This forum has been open to you since we started. I even created a special forum known as the "Free Speech Zone" as well as your own "Mo Hawks" club forum for you to post what you like. If I just wanted to suppress your thoughts, I could have disabled your account any time in the last year.

So can you please explain how your pictures fit better into a topic about being jailed for taking pictures at Torrey Pines than they would in either the Free Speech Zone or your own club's forum?

Thanks in advance.

Bob

[Free]

Ok, I can start a thread elsewhere to point out the inconsistencies of your logic and thought processes.
Your firmly worded and highly uninformed footnote was the reason this was brought up here and I'm only trying to get you to awaken to the overall big picture that you consistently ignore for whatever reasons.
You haven't taken much time to do the google search so I'll assume you didn't.

Hi Warren,

This forum has been open to you since we started. I even created a special forum known as the "Free Speech Zone" for you to post what you like.

So can you explain how your pictures fit better into a topic about being jailed for taking pictures at Torrey Pines than they would in the Free Speech Zone?

Thanks in advance.

Bob

[Bob Kuczewski]

Ok, I can start a thread elsewhere to point out the inconsistencies of your logic and thought processes.

Great. Please feel free to put a short note here in this topic with the name and link to the new topic so people interested in that branch of the discussion can follow it.

Warren, I am fully behind free speech, but let's just keep it organized so people can find what they're looking for. If you have a favorite topic (who doesn't?) that you'd like people to be able to see whenever you post, please put it in your signature line. That's a way to get a "plug" in for your topic of choice (or favorite web sites) even when you're discussing the actual topic of a thread. In that sense, your signature line can be your own personal billboard!!   

Thanks for your membership in the US Hawks!!

[Rick Masters]

If the restraining order was issued so both parties shake hands then I would be all for it so we could have sportsmanship and move on and close this case. The sports of paragliding and hang gliding need a competitive rivalry under sportsman like conditions so we can concentrate on safety and engineering issues.

This isn't about sports.

[eagle]

Santa Missed the Port
Did Santa Learn to fly at Torrey Pines ~ Lol

Why do You Ask,
1.) Poor training (Weak Instructor)
2.) Radio Failure (Always happens)
3.) Poor conditions (Common)
4.) Crowded Air (Most Days)
5.) Breaking Rules (Always)
6.) Dangerous Flying (Everyday)
7.) Threatening Any Witness (Normal)
8.) False Police Reports (Perjury)
9.) Targeting & Harassment of Pilots (Death Like Threats)
10.) Discrimination, Slander (what's New)

~ Its Never Santa's Fault ~

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[Bob Kuczewski]

If the restraining order was issued so both parties shake hands then I would be all for it so we could have sportsmanship and move on and close this case. The sports of paragliding and hang gliding need a competitive rivalry under sportsman like conditions so we can concentrate on safety and engineering issues.

This isn't about sports.

Rick is right here. I would be happy to shake hands and move on. But moving on has to include a mechanism to keep this from happening again. That's why I've been an advocate of an oversight organization since my first published words on Torrey Pines back in 2007. This isn't about sports or sportsmanship. It's about greed and bullying and intimidation. These are as old as mankind, and our best defense against them has been the simple "jury of our peers". We established a justice system ... for justice.

Most HG/PG clubs are run by an elected Board of Directors. Such a Board isn't quite a "jury of peers", but it's close enough in most cases that we find clubs like Crestline and Sylmar and Funston running reasonably well with regard to discipline (although there are exceptions). We're nowhere near that at Torrey Pines and that's the root of the problem. Until we can establish some form of fair oversight at that Park, the conce$$ionaire will continue to do what's in the interest of his bank account. That would be fine if Torrey Pines were his personal property, but it's not. It's a San Diego City Park and it belongs to the people. It needs to be overseen so that the people's interests are not trampled.

[Bob Kuczewski]

1.) Poor training (Weak Instructor)
2.) Radio Failure (Always happens)
3.) Poor conditions (Common)
4.) Crowded Air (Most Days)
5.) Breaking Rules (Always)
6.) Dangerous Flying (Everyday)
7.) Threatening Any Witness (Normal)
8.) False Police Reports (Perjury)
9.) Targeting & Harassment of Pilots (Death Like Threats)
10.) Discrimination, Slander (what's New)

Nothing escapes the "Eye of the Eagle".

[dhmartens]

Good officiating in San Diego at Holiday Bowl

Five things we learned in USC's victory over Nebraska
http://www.latimes.com/sports/usc/uscno ... story.html

..Defensive lineman Leonard Williams has not announced for the NFL draft, but it should only be a matter of time.
Saturday’s victory made it more apparent how much he will be missed
Williams made nine tackles, including a sack, but it was his emotional leadership that stood out most.
In the first quarter, Williams drew a personal foul for a late hit on Armstrong, but sacked him on the next play and was flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for taunting Nebraska’s sideline.
The penalties showed a lack of discipline, but they also proved that he plays the game with unbridled passion.


After a 43-yard punt by Kris Albarado, a seven-yard return by Pierson-El and a 15-yard penalty for a late hit, Nebraska started at its own 32-yard line with 19 seconds left.

[wingspan33]

Bob,

Good Luck with the proceedings taking place tomorrow!

Could be that luck won't have to come into play,
And honest justice will Rule The Day!

[Bob Kuczewski]

Bob,

Good Luck with the proceedings taking place tomorrow!

Could be that luck won't have to come into play,
And honest justice will Rule The Day!

Poetry from a hang glider pilot??     

Thanks Scott. I really appreciate everyone who's helped from coast to coast!!