[Rick Masters]

I don't think it is necessary (or a good idea) to mention paragliders at all in any US Hawks official documents. Paragliders are parachutes and fall (no pun intended) within the auspices of parachuting organizations or the U$hPA, whatever that is. We'll provide public liability insurance for our hang gliding members. It's been done before.

I think this is in line with what BobK wants.

Simply recognizing PG as a separate sport avoids any posturing, uncomfortable entanglements (no pun intended) or political correctness, whatever that is.

[Bob Kuczewski]

I don't think it is necessary (or a good idea) to mention paragliders at all in any US Hawks official documents. Paragliders are parachutes and fall (no pun intended) within the auspices of parachuting organizations or the U$hPA, whatever that is. We'll provide public liability insurance for our hang gliding members. It's been done before.

I think this is in line with what BobK wants.

Simply recognizing PG as a separate sport avoids any posturing, uncomfortable entanglements (no pun intended) or political correctness.

So well said that ... I have nothing to add!!     

         Thanks Rick!

[wingspan33]

The reason I suggested a "Qualifying Statement" (regarding PGs) being written up for a future Hang Gliding only Association is that it helps define why PGs are not included. It also "points a finger" in the direction of the cause(s). There is also a Bully Pulpit aspect involved.

Understand that I'm not suggesting that such a statement be placed in the second paragraph of the Association's Bylaws.

No recognition whatsoever is what I would describe as "passive" encouragement of

[JoeF]

Close, RickM and BobK.
Rick, would you someplace simply state in the founding bylaws something like your statement in above post.
Maybe something like: The parachutes called paragliders fall within the auspices of parachuting organizations, not US Hawks.
??
Or would you simply not use the word "paragliding" anywhere in US Hawks bylaws or mission or purpose statements?

Historically, since there are confused uses of the word "paraglider" with respect to airframe interests, then wingspan33's concern about passive support seems to apply. A positive simple statement somewhere would help clear things, so that US Hawks would not passively lend support to possible inroads to airframed hang glider assets.

If insurance: Then would the handshake include something like the following: US Hawks member flying other than airframed hang gliders in an incident, is not covered by the policy.
Such might be needed to obtain the actuarial distinction that might be sought by members of US Hawks in order to obtain possible better policy rates.

[wingspan33]

... I have nothing to add!!

Bob,

You have nothing to add?

[Bill Cummings]

This should be seen here too

Re: Paragliders Not Aircraft

Postby billcummings » Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:31 pm
I wish to expunge from the United States Hawks Hang Gliding Association the use of the terms: cling glider, grasp glider, hand glider and ultralight.
The only exception would be while in communication with the FAA.
All letters to the FAA should refer to a hang glider as a hang glider followed by:
(AKA by the FAA’s misnomer ultralight)

[Rick Masters]

Daredevil grandfather killed
terrifying 100ft paraglider plunge
Jan 07, 2015 18:29 By Joe Gammie
Ex-Army parachute instructor William Young, 64
fell 100ft to his death after his paraglider collapsed in high winds, an inquest has heard.
broke every rib on his left side.
suffered internal injuries
“massive pelvic trauma”.
David Thompson, of the British Hang Gliding and Paragliding Association, said: “Shortly after launching he encountered severe turbulence.” He crashed to the ground before he could regain control or open his spare parachute.
went into a “traumatic” cardiac arrest and died.

Son Guy paid tribute to the daredevil dad of three before the inquest in Newbury.
He said: “He’d rather have gone that way.”

Verdict: Misadventure.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/da ... ft-4937343

[Rick Masters]

World record facts
Record type: Distance to a declared goal, for a class 5 hang glider
Distance achieved: 570km (previous record was 379km set in Texas, USA) -- 354.18 miles
Aircraft: Unpowered hang glider, a class 5 rigid wing hang glider
Make: AIR ATOS VQ
Hang glider
Start: Boort Airfield, central Victoria.
Finish: Mooleulooloo Station, South Australia (90 km NW of Broken Hill)
Launch method: Aerotow
Maximum height: 6000ft
Average speed: 61kph
Maximum ground speed: Over 130kph
Time in the air: Nine hours, twenty minutes
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Paraglider
One large step for man: Paraglider sets record for longest flight with incredible 240-mile, seven-hour flight over American West
He said: 'You're flying in extremely turbulent conditions in this part of the world, especially in the middle of the day when the thermals are cranking. At times I was in climbs that were in excess of 8 meters per second. Sun Valley is known as one of the most demanding places to fly that there is.
'This particular flight saw the strongest conditions I'd ever flown in - windy and incredibly strong thermals.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -West.html

[Rick Masters]

Girls having fun
http://video.corriere.it/parapendio-tag ... 4ae47f8535

[JoeF]

Weight Shift Control Aircraft
WSC
Handbook
http://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/handbooks_manuals/aviation/media/faa-h-8083-5.pdf

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Even the FAA author failed to note that NASA and Ryan via John Worth had demonstrated the triangle control bar two years before Dickenson. Indeed the author also missed the further opportunity to describe that the triangle control bar in weight-shift control hang gliding was legally evident by W. Simon in 1908 on a foot-launched hang glider. History accuracy is a tough one! The GH and FAI failure to respect historical facts may have been part of this handbook's author's failure to bring up the gems about the WSC's triangle control frame ... from AT LEAST 1908 !

They missed the legally protected apparatus
of 1908 by W. Simon:

The hang gliding mode:

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