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Public Records Requests related to Torrey Pines Gliderport

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Sun Jul 17, 2022 2:24 pm

The following documents were recently obtained through a public records request via https://sandiego.nextrequest.com/:

Communications with San Diego Real Estate Assets Division (READ) part 1:
Gliderport Comms. with R.E.A.D. pt 1.pdf
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Communications with San Diego Real Estate Assets Division (READ) part 2:
Gliderport Comms. with R.E.A.D. pt 2.pdf
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Communications with San Diego Real Estate Assets Division (READ) part 3:
Gliderport Comms. with R.E.A.D. pt 3.pdf
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Communications with San Diego Real Estate Assets Division (READ) part 4:
Gliderport Comms. with R.E.A.D. pt 4.pdf
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Communications with San Diego Real Estate Assets Division (READ) part 5:
Gliderport Comms. with R.E.A.D. pt 5.pdf
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Communications with San Diego Real Estate Assets Division (READ) combined:
READ Gliderport Combined.pdf
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Communications from former City Council Offices:

Police Report Activity:

Gliderport Agreements:
Gliderport Agreements.pdf
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Gliderport Holdover:
Gliderport Holdover.pdf
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Gliderport Lease 2022:
Gliderport 3-Year Lease-Signed-2022.pdf
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Re: Public Records Requests related to Torrey Pines Gliderpo

Postby Bill Cummings » Wed Jul 20, 2022 2:49 pm

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30, 2018. The AGCSC will be required to obtain insurance for the amount not less than two million dollars naming the City of San Diego, University of California, San Diego, and Air California Adventure as additionally insured. As with years in the past, all full-scale flight operations will be subject to all Federal, State, and local laws
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The last sentence needs a closer look.
Does the law allow the exclusion of of anyone from public land?
(The red font within the quote is my highlighting.)
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Re: Public Records Requests related to Torrey Pines Gliderpo

Postby JoeF » Thu Jul 21, 2022 5:58 am

Similarity case: Ocean to high tide line (or verify the law's line) seems legally open in most cases for public access. Such seems to imply access paths to that public resource; such access paths are common; that is, private property is not to severely prevent the public from getting to the ocean.
In California, promotion of public access to the coast is deeply embedded in state statutes, most prominently in California's Coastal Act. Indeed, Californians have a state constitutional right of public access to coastal areas

The Coastal Commission publishes the California Coastal Access Guide with information on more than 850 public access sites along the entire 1110 mile long coast.


Let such model apply to the US airspace for recreational hang gliding. Especially where there is a known and used recreational hang gliding and soaring airspace, that is, say the lift zone over Torrey Pines in San Diego. Obviously San Diego is supplying PAY-AS-YOU-GO access to the federal airspace asset; such cements the fact of airspace access, a public federal asset; but San Diego is tacitly NOT providing even a sliver of access to federal citizens for recreational hang gliding. Something is serious wrong about the failure to provide ordinary free access to the airspace asset for gliding. Needed: a tiny take-off spot; from such one could soar in the federal asset.
The United States Government has exclusive sovereignty of airspace of the United States. A citizen of the United States has a public right of transit through the navigable airspace.


Airplanes soaring above your property are not trespassing because they are flying in what Congress has declared as the public highway


The alterative is burdensome: Soar into the Torrey Pines airspace (sic, federal aerial highway) from some afar-non-San-Diego launch. Such burden is inequitable treatment of citizens of the USA. Sue San Diego for equitable access to the federal airspace? Negotiate? Right now a park visitor just outside the line of sour leased square footage, a person may jump up into the federal airspace; but if that jumper has deployable hang gliding wings, then will the San Diego police apply the "no hang gliding" ordinance (that exempts the allowed lease-controlled area) to fine/jail the winged jumper? In fact, I have jumped up into the Torrey airspace while being outside the soured leased square footage; my held wings (tiny) were not sufficient to let me soar; no one noticed my tiny jump-tiny flight, but I was in the federal airspace asset for a moment; privatizing airspace is a San Diego sin via their sour lease situation.

There was a time where San Diego did not prevent free hang gliding. It is time for San Diego to provide a launch for free equitable access to the federal airspace above the Torrey Cliffs for recreational hang gliders. Such access could be aside the unfair lease deal or smoothly fused with the same.
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Re: Public Records Requests related to Torrey Pines Gliderpo

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon Jul 25, 2022 4:01 am

JoeF wrote:There was a time where San Diego did not prevent free hang gliding. It is time for San Diego to provide a launch for free equitable access to the federal airspace above the Torrey Cliffs for recreational hang gliders. Such access could be aside the unfair lease deal or smoothly fused with the same.


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Re: Public Records Requests related to Torrey Pines Gliderpo

Postby Chris McKeon » Mon Jul 25, 2022 10:04 am

So what's the deal? If I were to drive on down to Dockweiler Beach, I set up My Predator. Then I launch My Predator, I fly up and down the Coast-line. I realize that would be very unlikely that would happen being that We really are regulated by the Atmosphere when it really comes down to weather We would simply do a Sled ride, for if We could Soar, and then head what is it South? Or would I head North towards Torrey Pines. Don't mind Me for I am not a Competent Pilot. My XC Flying capabilities were when I last Flew, that would be Twelve Years Four Months Four Days ago on this Coming Friday. Heck knowing Me and My terrible sense of Direction when Flying. I might have a Re-Do of a Flight were I launched from Wolf's Peak California and I landed in Gardnerville Nevada. Yes My XC skills as a Pilot really leave much room for improvement.

So if I were to take My Predator down to one of Your Many Launches that You Guys have Down thee in San Diego. Maybe Dockweiler Beach. If I were to turn left or right after I had Launched, i do not know if Torrey Pines is South, or North of Docweiler. Well If I flew to Torrey Pines would I have Violated Protected Air Space? I do not want to have another deal where I am in a field breaking Down My Predator. When Guys with Guns, and unpleasant attitudes Confronted Me for landing on "Their Land" After I did that foul Filthy thing that all Bad Pilots do quite often while our Engine, The Sun ids Still up in the Sky powering our Flying. I fully realize that if the Sun is up in the Sky, there is absolutely no reason for Us to not be Up in the Sky. Unless as Pilots We suck, and as a Pilot I SUCK!
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Re: Public Records Requests related to Torrey Pines Gliderpo

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Tue Jul 26, 2022 2:53 am

Torrey is south of Dockweiler, so you'd turn left. Your ability to land at Torrey would require:

1. A USHPA membership
2. Having paid a fee (annual or daily) to Air California Adventure
3. Having signed a horrendous, many page "waiver" protecting Air California Adventure
4. Not taking any pictures that Air California Adventure doesn't want you to take
5. Not speaking to the San Diego City Council about Air California Adventure abuses
6. Not testifying in court about gross negligence by Air California Adventure
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Re: Public Records Requests related to Torrey Pines Gliderpo

Postby Chris McKeon » Tue Jul 26, 2022 3:08 pm

well it is sounding like if I did not fill out Forms, get release's filed, renew My Membership in USHPA. Generally appease the Powers that be. On top of that. Just getting to Torrey from Dockweiler may be a bit of a; "HAT TRICK". I just would nor want to do what would need to be done in order to Fly from Docweiler, and to land at Torrey Pines. I hate to after I had landed have to deal with Hostile? I do not know who they are? Anyways I have Flown XC, then I Have landed in a Field not that far from where I launched from, Forty Four Miles. Then had angry Young Men with Automatic weapons yelling at Me on how I flown in Violation of Secured, Controlled Air-Space. I mean; Come on, Controlled Air-Space. I wanted to say to these to overly excited Young Men; Why don't we go to a bar, where I could buy you guys a drink. But then again these two Fellows were Working when I had landed. I just try to be Friendly. One of them asked Me where I had Launched from. I pointed down The Valley to Mount Diablo. Well the Guy looked at Mount Diablo, and looked at My Predator. He was amazed that I had Flown from Diablo to Vacaville. Flying My Predator. When I told Him that a short flight such as what I had just done was not very Far. I told Him that these days that to be taken seriously. You had better be Flying at least Two Hundred Miles XC.
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