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Re: Torrey Petition

Postby Craig Muhonen » Wed Dec 04, 2024 4:09 pm

:salute: :salute: :salute:

Should be Headline News on local newspapers, be they so bold and unafraid,
and "LET THE COURTS DO THEIR JOBS"
JoeF wrote:Simplify: :No More Leasing Public Parks in San Diego
Just stop it. Open park to all. Simple waiver. Let recreation take place. Let surfing occur. Let jumping occur. Let running occur. Let jumping a little higher occur. Let jumping very high occur. Let people fly kites. Let people walk. Let people play games. Let people breathe air. Let people dance. Let people hold hands. Let people help one another. Let people ride bicycles. Let people play tennis. Let people play catch. Let people run with a wing. Let people enter the federal airspace with a high jump or a skip or a hop or a wing. Let''s hold people responsible for their actions. Let us respect adulthood. Let us use the recreational responsibility clauses that are effective over land owners where recreating people stay responsible for their own recreation; let the courts do their job and hold the recreationist responsible for their actions, not the land owner who allows recreation. Let not private business own what is not theirs! Do not lease out San Diego's historical flight treasure; no San Diego citizen should allow such travesty as handing over the park's treasure to money-grabbing recreation-stopping businesses! Just do not lease out what belongs to the people.
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Re: Torrey Petition

Postby Chris McKeon » Thu Dec 05, 2024 6:02 pm

So do not those of You Pilots, landowners down in San Diego Diago You Guys feels like feel the Lone Ranger. For up here on My favorite SF Bay Area Mountain for launching a Hang Glider. So these Days since the State took Control of the Mountain. They have Park Rangers who are employed by the State. Of course, They are Paid by the taxing of Us Kaw abiding Tax Paying Citizens. And get this: I have had a couple dealings with a Ranger or Two. They absolutely refuse to acknowledge the reality that in the deal I am talking about. The ranger felt that it was His Jon to {Protect the Mountain from Me} I really mean this. I asked Him: Who are You up here? Who are You Employed By? Naturally He said: "I am a State Ranger, and I am employed by the State of California". I replied: "No. You have it somewhat incorrect". You are employed Yes by the State of California, yes You are. But Your Employers are collectively, and I am one of those who You work for, we are the Land Owing Tax Paying rightful owners of this Mountain, and You work for Us. With that He shook His Head, turned to walk towards His Truck. He mumbled that He had: "Other things to Do". I said one last thing to Him: "Reality Bights."

I am noyt kidding here, nor am I making this up. These Park Rangers refuse to accept reality.
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Re: Torrey Petition

Postby dhmartens » Sun Dec 08, 2024 8:09 pm

I have a plan, but not until January. It involves Brad Sherman as he has proven he has connections with Veterans Affairs, it may require BobK to send him his Birth Certificate. But after that all bets are off with 1) City of San Diego, 2) USHPA, 3) Air California Adventure.
We will just be repeating what is proven to work. It may not get Bob reinstated but there will be a lot of Dust kicked up.

By the way there is a power struggle for president of SHGA between Steve Murillo and Kevin Kernahan. (sorry if I misspelled)
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Re: Torrey Petition

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon Dec 09, 2024 9:04 am

dhmartens wrote:By the way there is a power struggle for president of SHGA between Steve Murillo and Kevin Kernahan. (sorry if I misspelled)


Do either of them support restoring the old forum posts?

Would either of them push back on USHPA's expulsion of SHGA members?
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Re: Torrey Petition

Postby dhmartens » Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:46 pm

Replacing the flight school could cause several homes to be placed as short sales on the San Diego real estate market and youtube influencer Anthony Bordanero to cause a sell off.
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Re: Torrey Petition

Postby JoeF » Sun Dec 22, 2024 2:01 pm

I fed Ernie Casco's prose to ChatGPT today and received what it thought was a polished version:



Request for Torrey Hawks to Unite and Endorse the "SD Recreational Waiver" at Torrey Pines Gliderport

I am asking Torrey Hawks to set aside differences and unite our community by endorsing the "SD Recreational Waiver" as a solution for Torrey Pines Gliderport.

The "SD Rec Waiver" is already in the hands of every La Jolla Town Council (LJTC) member. We have unanimous support from the LJTC, along with a verbal go-ahead to implement it as a solution. The petition advocating for this waiver has stood the test of time, gathering hundreds of signatures and continuing to grow.

No one wants a city-appointed enforcer creating arbitrary access passes to control public parks. Commercializing our public parks is unacceptable.

Key Points About the "SD Recreational Waiver"
    :arrow: Modeled After Success: The waiver closely follows the structure of Dockweiler Beach’s successful contract.
    :arrow: Restores Original Intent: It ensures Torrey Pines Gliderport operates as originally agreed upon, allowing fair access to all parties.
    :arrow: Limits USHPA’s Role: Under this waiver, USHPA would function as a club, not a dictatorship.

Torrey Pines Gliderport is already protected under the California Recreational Use Statute. The "SD Rec Waiver" restores recreational freedom while maintaining safety and fairness.

Benefits of the "SD Recreational Waiver"
    :arrow: Eliminates Illegal Fees: Ends mandatory access and waiver fees for public park use, preventing the creation of "city dictators."
    :arrow: Supports Public Safety: Requires tandem operators and schools to:
      :arrow: Cover their own insurance costs (as required by law).
      :arrow: Ensure oversight for safety.
    :arrow: Stops Corruption:
      :arrow: Ends the current monopoly funneling money into private accounts.
      :arrow: Removes the threat of violence stemming from power struggles and profit motives.
      :arrow: Resolves the public dispute that has cast a shadow over the city.

Why This Is Needed
Other locations, like Dockweiler Beach, have successfully implemented recreational waivers. Instructors and tandem pilots benefit from fairer pay and greater control—without the city exploiting pilots or blocking public access. The "SD Rec Waiver" restores rights and freedoms while enabling safe tandem and school operations.

A Call to Action
This is an easy administrative decision for lawmakers that can restore harmony at Torrey Pines Gliderport. With Torrey Hawks’ support, we can present a united front to the City Council. Let’s draft a letter of endorsement for the "SD Recreational Waiver" and rally behind it as a community.

Joe La Cava, our La Jolla representative, needs to hear from us loud and clear. As he seeks re-election, he should act in accordance with what the people want: fair public access, safety, and freedom.

Together, we can:
    :arrow: End the dispute.
    :arrow: Secure public access.
    :arrow: Ensure safe, fair, and sustainable tandem and school operations.

Let’s come together, draft a united letter of support, and present it to the City Council for change. The time to act is now.


I sent a copy of this above while reminding Council President Joe LaCava (District 1) that I had years ago directly in person asked him to do the right thing for many people as regards the City park and access to federal airspace.

:!: :arrow: :arrow: :arrow: :idea: :idea: :idea: Message Council President Joe LaCava (District 1): https://www.sandiego.gov/citycouncil/cd1/contact/form
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