[JoeF]

Dave Hards was signing his name. Dave Hards did, by the admission of the pres, do some deleting; it would be neat to know exactly who deleted what and why; but that trail is getting obscured. History is being lost. Issues are not being faced adequately. Heavy hidden hands at CSS are sculpting public discussion. Perspectives that see HG as tiny are pushed; perspectives that see HG as robust, rich, wide, extensive are being deleted. Jeff, the better course is not to force just one perspective; let all the HG perspectives by sincere pilots be heard. Look for direct personal attacks with untenables, like Jonathan's where he put forward untruths .... and someone blocked the target from answering. What do you want for the CSS Forum? Vanilla only? Let things heat up with passion and sincerity and good critical thinking! Head buried at these crucial times for HG may cost our community dearly. Going along with status quo won't work any longer; such will sink HG into the PG blur. It is time for HG to open and for HG with robust open focus. If CSS does not come up to speed on some critical issues, there will not be a vital CSS; emptying CSS Forum of the heat, passion, and issues will be emptying CSS Forum. Your below , "...and so on." is a key to great communications; let the "so on" flower and develop. Aim for clear thinking within the passion. Disallow personal attacks; let the HG issue fly! If Jonathan without proof simply spouts untenables to the injury of a fellow pilot, then careful fellow pilots should post to help correct such spouting. If Dave Hards is signing and declaring matters related to deletions as things mysteriously disappear, then someone speak up ... at face Dave Hards did it all, until pres mentions others are deleting and changing. The matter is still egregiously going on letting signatures stand for moderator word changes: very egregious by the backroom changers.

But now we hear from the CSS pres about behind-the-scenes machinations. See below. Now, CSS press Jeff, will you install back the posts and the blocked posters? What is hurting to one's ears may not be hurting to others' ears; let the issues be discussed openly. Else the good gems will be throw out with the dross.

Jeff Boehler replied on Tue, 11/10/2015 - 12:08 PERMALINK

INAPPROPRIATE COMMENTS. new

I leave for two weeks and I see very little posted about your flights. Thanks to those who did post pilot reports, pictures and videos, it is greatly appreciated by most of us. This is a flying club & the forum is intended to be used for that purpose. Weather, pilot reports, equipment, safety, events and so on.

Several weeks ago a few topics were posted that were getting a bit heated up. Those posting on those subject matters were asked to " relax an take a deep breath " for awhile.

It didn't last long and the" debates" were on.

When you sign up to be forum contributors, you are notified at that time that it is monitored. Keeping it simple, "inappropriate comments" can and have been deleted over the years by the CSS adm. or BOD members who have editing privileges.

In recent weeks myself and the BOD have been receiving, texts, emails & phone calls about certain subject matters getting out of hand. I asked the BOD to allow it to continue for a bit more to give them some freedom to speak. Reluctantly by some, they went along with my suggestion.

You saw for yourselves, that didn't turn out to well for me, or you. You had to endure through that also. After the lines were crossed and peoples names, clubs and accusations & inappropriate comments started, so did the deletions. Not wanting to totally delete some persons comments, I left part of there statements, just eliminated peoples names, etc. It may have looked like someone was trying to change some ones viewpoints, but it wasn't intended to. Trust me, i'm not that smart.

The fact of the matter is, Dave Hards did very little, if any deleting. So whoever was stating that was completely wrong in there assumptions. I apologized to Dave personally, & here publicly after returning back to CA . I don't have a problem manning up to my mistakes.

As a matter of fact, I posted a response to a posting yesterday that was considered inappropriate to this web site by fellow BOD. It was meant to have some humor, but not appreciated by some. It was discussed by some, and deleted as well. Hell, even the pres gets some of his postings/comments deleted.

I can tell you I won't lose any sleep over it and either should you. I would also thank those who acted responsibly by deleting my response. It's pretty easy to get sucked into the drama sometimes. They have proven to me they want what's best for you, the CSS members.

Fly Safe!

[JoeF]

CSS has blocked/deleted/changed-text-of a third CSS Forum member there
in three days:
Third seasoned contributing account:

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The editors there have placed words as though they belonged to H5 Big Bird
that are not his words. Ouch!

[Bob Kuczewski]

Behind-the-scenes machinations is exactly right Joe.

There was no discussion with members. There was no discussion with posters whose posts were removed. There were no warnings issued. There were no rules quoted as violated. It was just an ugly unjustified censorship to cover for Alan Crouse in the middle of an election. They claim they want the forum to be about flying and not ugly politics. But their actions were nothing but 100% ugly politics.

I remain hopeful that cooler heads will speak up at the CSS ... soon.