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Good job, Bob.
I couldn't have done it.

Thanks Warren.

I don't know the situation with you and Jim, but I do know that USHPA has not stood up for pilots in this case.

The fact that USHPA's lawyer - who should be standing up for pilots - was sitting on the other side is further evidence that they are no longer a pilot's association.

No. They are not a pilot's association. USHPA is a former pilot's association that has been hijacked by a corporation that is run by ~lawyer~ Tim Herr.

Tim Herr, was there on the ~ pilot's dime.
The house is on fire.

[wingspan33]

Bob,

I began reading the transcript and it fits VERY well with how I pictured things happening. But it seems to have involved more significant ( i.e., undeniable and obvious ) assault and battery on the part of Gabe Jebb. I can not believe that the police failed to take your complaint against Jebb and whoever else was involved (I'll work on reading the whole transcript when I've got more time).

I also think it is time to release the video.

It just came to me that a copy of the video and a petition, with the names of people and pilots who object to the manner in which Air California Adventure Inc. does business at the Torrey Pines City Park (under supposed "contract" with the City of San Diego) should be put together ASAP and sent to the Mayor's office. Send copies out to the local Press also. Heck, send a copy of the package to the USHPA and see if it "sticks".

Enough for now - more later.

WS33

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Pilots that happen to be dues paying member$ of U$hPa CORPORATION, need to demand a complete audit of Tim Herr.
This is big as the dirty 'blue line' nepotism in San Diego.
I was just thinking about renewing my membership.

I don't believe I can before I get some questions answered by our ~benevolent leaders~.
Just saw Mark G. Forbes, over on Jack's show, giving 'you're gonna die' if you don't join our club of top notch.. (corporation)
advice to a newby wannabe..
We could ask him about this over there.

Of course many of us can't post there.
Gee, I wonder if Mark G. Forbes has the guts to come over here and talk to us like a man...
...umm.. umm.. well.. er..

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So Bob, how's it feel to have the machinery of the national hang gliding organization turned totally against you for trying to do something about belligerent, bullying, law breaking thugs and lose - temporarily at best - the ability to safely and legally fly where you want to? Maybe the two of us could get together and form a new national hang gliding association to serve pilots as an alternative to USHGA. Tad @Kitestrings

http://www.kitestrings.org/topic33-470.html#p7397

[wingspan33]

Good job, Bob.
I couldn't have done it.

Thanks Warren.

I don't know the situation with you and Jim, but I do know that USHPA has not stood up for pilots in this case.

The fact that USHPA's lawyer - who should be standing up for pilots - was sitting on the other side is further evidence that they are no longer a pilot's association.

No. They are not a pilot's association. USHPA is a former pilot's association that has been hijacked by a corporation that is run by ~lawyer~ Tim Herr.

Tim Herr, was there on the ~ pilot's dime.
The house is on fire.

Unfortunately, Tim Herr being there may have placed him on one side of a Courtroom involving a legal matter, but remember that both sides of the Courtroom included one or more members of the USHPA. And he may have been cautioning the "other side" to beware of the (liability?) problems they may be creating for the USHPA.

I will say here and now, that once Bob releases the video - and the USHPA is supplied a copy - EVERY agent of Air California Adventure Inc that was involved in the assault and battery against Bob, and who also maintains a membership with the USHPA, should face proceedings toward the revocation of their membership in the USHPA. Such action is supported under the USHPA's SOP "Of Good Character" membership requirement. If the USHPA sees the video and does not proceed with the steps required for such membership revocations, I would seriously suggest a Federal Class Action against the USHPA (details to come, if and/or when necessary).

For all intents and purposes the USHPA, by CLEARLY neglecting the "HGs Should Have the Same Rights as PGs at Torrey Pines" issue for YEARS(!), may have finally shot themselves in the foot (or even some more critical area). It's now proven (or provable!) that the USHPA has been backing a bunch of (truly criminal) PG centered THUGS in the body of Air California Adventure Inc. Its time for the USHPA to explain WHY! . . . . . . Hmmmmmm, . . . The words would probably be more clearly heard were they stated in a Courtroom.

Enough for now. (Does it sound like I'm angry? )

[brianscharp]

Final arguments are scheduled for 2pm on February 24th, 2015.

Why the long breaks between sessions? Is that typical?

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Final arguments are scheduled for 2pm on February 24th, 2015.

Why the long breaks between sessions? Is that typical?

Yes. It's the law of statism that says the most money usually wins.
It's the foundation of our legal system.

[Bob Kuczewski]

Final arguments are scheduled for 2pm on February 24th, 2015.

Why the long breaks between sessions? Is that typical?

I don't know if it's typical. The judge usually proposed a date and then the two lawyers would say "I can't make that date, how about this date...". So they all negotiated until they found a date that was open to everyone. Of course more distant dates tended to be more open on people's calendars, so I think that's what took so long.

But your point is very good. Robin's lawyer was bringing the case, and I don't know if they provided the judge with an accurate estimate of the time that needed to be allocated for their case. It's been 3 months that I've been unable to fly at Torrey Pines with nothing more than their assertion that I present a threat of "workplace violence".

Robin's side took almost 5 days to present their case, and we got 1 hour. They could present a few witness, and then think about it for a week or so, and then present some more witnesses, and then think about it a little longer for another week or so. They were able to do that across 5 court appearances. We got one hour immediately after they rested. They had witnesses that couldn't appear on certain dates, but they dragged it out and were able to get their testimony eventually. We had 5 days of asking our witnesses to take time off from work, drive to the courthouse, pay for parking, and then not get to testify. We didn't have the luxury of scheduling our trial around our witnesses schedules. As it turns out, two very important witnesses - who had been there on several other days - weren't able to be there this last day.

I should point out that it's hard to say what all of that means. It's possible that the judge recognized that Robin had no justification for requesting the workplace violence restraining order, and she didn't want to waste the court's time by giving us equal time. But other things are possible as well. So we'll have to see how it ends before we know what's really going on. The judge has said that she would issue a written ruling, so it's possible that this may become a precedent-setting case.

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Video: Cops Attack Man For Trying To Record Altercation
Police Chief insinuates the phone could have been a weapon

Steve Watson | Infowars.com | February 10, 2015
http://www.infowars.com/video-cops-atta ... tercation/

The disturbing trend of police cracking down on the use of cell phones to record their actions continues with a report out of New Jersey, where a man was jumped on and attacked by several officers for attempting to film an altercation.

Aaron Bland says he was walking down a main road in Atlantic City with a co-worker, minding his own business, when a police officer pulled up beside them in a vehicle and ordered the pair to stop and answer some questions.

Bland says he politely refused and continued walking down the street, prompting officer Juliann Schewenger to jump out of the vehicle and get in Bland’s face. The cop told Bland that he looked like a suspect and demanded some ID.

Bland then began to fear for his well being and took out his phone to begin recording.

“We were in town to work at the Atlantic City Boat Show for our marketing company and I was hosting the event.” He further explains, adding “I was not under arrest at the time the officer attacked me. I was attacked. THEN I was placed under arrest after I had been attacked with absolutely no provocation.”

Speaking to reporters Atlantic City Police Chief Henry White defended the actions of the officers, saying

“This is at night, the officer was there by herself with two people, it’s dark out and he’s pulling out a cell phone,” White declared, insinuating that the phone could have been a weapon, a common tactic used by police as justification for use of force.

The scene that followed looked like this:

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I can not believe that the police failed to take your complaint against Jebb and whoever else was involved.
I also think it is time to release the video.

Technically, with a transcript like that the video could only harm the case.
Case closed, the LLC Corporation is lying.
Several crimes were committed.
I want to see the police report
The criminal's confession
Sworn and signed
confession

Of course, the video could make this a national consideration.
It's fair to use this new fangled web invention against those that use it against us.
Obama's plan to control the webs
So afraid, I have not read
Here today and gone tomorrow
Use it or lose it
and face our sorrow

Video is a Power
to use, not abuse
by those that accuse