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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Thu Sep 21, 2023 7:53 pm

Looks like it might be possible if it fits in the designated luggage space.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Fri Sep 22, 2023 7:58 am

Some specialized bus routes like those exiting an airport have extra designated racks for luggage because of the high volume of people with luggage. Common-route city local buses rarely have luggage racks; the occasional person on such routes with luggage is usually of no particular consequence. Trains often have designated luggage and bicycle spaces.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Fri Sep 22, 2023 11:50 am

Joining two sections sail?
Solutions for tiny packing of a conservative HG for polite local-city-bus tote might depend on choices made regarding joining two sections of HG sail material. Choice of material for sail play a role in this whole affair. Exploring methods of sail joining is the flow for this present note. The exploration may extend in time for developers to future reaches. Will there be any innovative means that will finally affect some HG solutions? The known arts are extensive already. Skilled workers in sail-section joining may often be found in sailmakers' lofts, but perhaps other places. Is sewing the ever winner? What could compete with sewing? Fusing? Taping? Keder locking? Clamping? Welding? Snaping? Magnetic joining? Hooking? Lashing? Holes-and-tie means? Zippering? Hook-and-looping? Rodding in matched castellations? Piano hinging? ???? what else? Offers are welcome! [ ] :idea: :?: :idea: :?:

AI assist: Note: the listing might have some apparent repeats, overlaps. Disclaimer: the list is not comprehensive and might have errors or hallucinations involved. And there may be stated some methods that simply won't work or may be unsafe if used in a hang glider.

Here is a list of various methods for joining adjacent sections of sail material, including traditional and novel approaches, organized for your reference:

1. Sewing: Sewing is a traditional and widely used method in sailmaking. Skilled sailmakers use specialized sewing machines or hand stitching techniques to join sail sections.

2. Fusing: Fusing involves using heat to melt the sail material at the seam, creating a strong bond. This method is often used with synthetic sail fabrics.

3.Taping: Sail tape is an adhesive tape designed for sail repairs and can be used to join sections temporarily or reinforce seams.

4. Keder Locking: Keder is a flexible profile often used in sail tracks. Keder locking involves inserting the keder into a sail track to join sections securely.

5. Clamping : Clamping involves using clamps or clips to hold adjacent sections of sail material together. It can be used during sewing or other joining methods.

6, Welding: Welding uses heat or ultrasound to melt sail material at the seam, creating a strong and durable bond, commonly used with PVC or vinyl sails.

7. Snapping: Snapping involves using snap fasteners to connect sail sections, allowing for easy disassembly when needed.

8. Magnetic Joining: Magnetic joining uses magnets embedded in the sail material to hold sections together. This can be a quick and convenient method for temporary connections.

9. Hooking: Hooking involves using hooks or loops to connect sail sections. It can be a simple and effective way to secure sections. Hooks may be tiny or larger. Loops may be tiny or larger.

10. Lashing: Lashing uses ropes or lines to tie sections together. It is a traditional method that can be useful for emergency repairs.

11. Holes-and-Tie Means: Creating holes along the sail sections and tying them together using ropes or lines. This method is similar to lashing.

12. Zippering: Zippering involves using zipper mechanisms to join sections. While less common in sailmaking, it can be effective for certain applications.

13. Hook-and-Looping: Using hook-and-loop fasteners (such as Velcro) to connect sail sections. This method allows for easy disassembly and adjustment.

14. Rodding in Matched Castellations: This involves inserting rods into matching castellations (notches or grooves) along sail sections to secure them together. It provides a secure and adjustable connection.

15. Piano Hinging: Using a piano hinge or continuous hinge along the seam to join sail sections. This method allows for flexibility and durability.

Additional Novel Means:

16. Ultrasonic Bonding: Using ultrasonic vibrations to bond sail sections together. This method is precise and can work well with certain sail materials.

17. 3D Printing: Utilizing 3D printing technology to create interlocking components that join sail sections together.

18. Adhesive Bonding: Using specialized sail adhesives to bond sections together. This can be effective with certain sail materials.

19. Magnetic Zippers: Combining magnetic and zipper technologies to create a secure yet easily adjustable connection between sail sections.

20. Hydrodynamic Sealing: Employing water-tight seals or gaskets to join sections while minimizing water infiltration in marine environments.

The choice of method depends on factors such as the type of sail material, intended use, and the level of permanence required for the seam. Skilled sailmakers may use a combination of these methods to achieve the desired results.

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Without repeating any of the above methods, please list and describe other novel means
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Certainly, here are some novel means for joining adjacent sections of sail material:

21. Ultrasonic Bonding: Ultrasonic bonding uses high-frequency vibrations to generate heat and join sail sections together. It's a fast and efficient method that doesn't require additional materials like thread or adhesive.

22. Electrofusion: This method involves applying an electric current to heat and fuse the edges of sail material sections. It can create a strong bond but requires specialized equipment.

23. Heat Sealing with Tape: Instead of traditional sewing, heat-sealing with specialized tape can be used to create seams. The tape is applied and then heated to bond the sections together.

24. RF (Radio Frequency) Welding: RF welding uses electromagnetic waves to create heat and bond sail sections. It's a precise and efficient method commonly used in the manufacturing of inflatable sails.

25. Ultraviolet (UV) Bonding: UV bonding uses adhesive materials that cure when exposed to ultraviolet light. This method can provide a clean and strong bond.

26. 3D Printing: Additive manufacturing techniques like 3D printing can be used to create sail sections with integrated joints, eliminating the need for separate joining methods.

27. Laser Welding: Laser welding uses a high-energy laser beam to melt and fuse sail material sections together. It's a precise and efficient method but requires specialized equipment.

28. Thermo-adhesive Film Bonding: Thermo-adhesive films can be applied to the edges of sail sections and then heated to bond them together. It's a relatively simple and cost-effective method.

29. Pressure-Sensitive Adhesive (PSA): PSA materials have an adhesive backing that can be applied to the sail sections for a temporary or semi-permanent bond. It's quick and easy to use.

30. Interlocking Tabs: Designing sail sections with interlocking tabs and slots can provide a secure and simple means of assembly without the need for additional materials.

These novel means offer alternative options for joining sail material, each with its own set of advantages and considerations. The choice of method should be based on the specific requirements of the sail and the desired performance characteristics.

Joe prompted for more:
Without repeating any of the above 25 methods, please add more methods continuing the count.

ChatGPT responded to the prompt:
Certainly, here are additional methods for joining adjacent sections of sail material, continuing the count from 26:

31. Solvent Bonding: Solvent bonding involves using a chemical solvent to soften the sail material's edges, allowing them to be fused together when pressed. This method can create a strong bond, especially with compatible materials.

32. Riveting: Riveting involves attaching sail sections together using metal or plastic rivets. It's a durable method commonly used in sail reinforcement and repair.

33. Pneumatic Sealing: Pneumatic sealing uses compressed air to press sail sections together and create a seal. This method can be automated for efficiency.

34. Hydrobonding: Hydrobonding uses water-activated adhesives to bond sail sections together. It's an environmentally friendly method that doesn't require heat.

35. Friction Welding: Friction welding involves rubbing the edges of sail sections together to generate heat and fuse them. This method is efficient and doesn't require external heat sources.

36. Chemical Adhesives: Various chemical adhesives, such as epoxies or cyanoacrylate (super glue), can be used to bond sail sections. They provide a strong and versatile bond.

37. Mechanical Fasteners: Using screws, bolts, or other mechanical fasteners to join sail sections is a robust method suitable for heavy-duty applications.

38. Composite Bonding: For composite sail materials, bonding sections with compatible resins and reinforcements can create a seamless, integrated structure.

39. Thermal Lamination: Thermal lamination involves applying heat and pressure to fuse layers of sail material together, creating a multi-layered, reinforced section.

40. Velcro Strips: Instead of traditional hook-and-loop fasteners, larger Velcro strips can be used to securely join sail sections, allowing for quick attachment and detachment.

41. Pneumatic Clamping: Pneumatic clamping systems use air pressure to hold sail sections together firmly during the bonding or assembly process.

42. Interlocking Channels: Designing sail sections with interlocking channels or grooves that fit together like puzzle pieces can create a strong and seamless connection.

43. Vacuum Bagging: Vacuum bagging is a method used in composites where a vacuum is applied to press layers of sail material together, ensuring a strong bond.

44. Magnetic Snap Buttons: Utilizing magnetic snap buttons with embedded magnets in sail sections can create a secure and easily detachable connection.

45. Groove and Tongue: Sail sections can be designed with grooves and tongue profiles that slide together and lock in place, creating a tight joint.

These additional methods offer a diverse range of options for joining sail material, each with its unique characteristics and suitability for different applications and sail types.
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Caution: The following may have errors in it. Presented is a response of Chat GPT 3.5 to a prompt on a specialized matter:
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If you had to build a hang glider using Mylar film sections and had to join the Mylar film sections, what method would you use to join the sections?

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When building a hang glider using Mylar film sections, one of the most suitable methods for joining the Mylar film sections is "Heat Sealing with Tape." Mylar film is a lightweight and heat-sensitive material that can be bonded effectively using specialized adhesive tapes designed for this purpose.

Here's why heat sealing with tape is a suitable choice for joining Mylar film sections in a hang glider:

Lightweight: Mylar film is already very light, and using adhesive tape to join sections adds minimal weight compared to other methods like sewing or mechanical fasteners.

Minimal Damage: Heat sealing with tape doesn't involve piercing or perforating the Mylar film, reducing the risk of tearing or damaging the material.

Flexibility: Mylar film can be flexible, and tape allows for a seamless bond without compromising the material's ability to flex and adapt to airflow.

Aerodynamic: The taped seams are relatively flat and smooth, which is essential for maintaining aerodynamic efficiency in a hang glider design.

Ease of Application: Applying adhesive tape to Mylar film sections is a relatively straightforward process that doesn't require specialized equipment or skills.

Durable: High-quality Mylar tape is designed for durability and can withstand the stresses encountered during hang glider operation.

It's important to note that when using this method, you should ensure that the tape and Mylar film are compatible to prevent delamination or adhesive failure. Additionally, proper technique and attention to detail in taping the seams are crucial to ensure a secure and reliable connection for the hang glider's safety and performance.


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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Fri Sep 22, 2023 6:51 pm

The above Mylar excursion is not any recommendation. But one may explore such!
One might immediately retort: give me some rip-stop grid ...!

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Tulle fabric exploration for lamination experiments:

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AI quick Chat:
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DIY laminating Mylar film to light fabric netting?
ChatGPT
Laminating Mylar film to light fabric netting can be a fun and creative DIY project, often used for crafting, costumes, or decorations. Mylar film is known for its reflective and shiny properties, making it an excellent choice for adding a metallic or futuristic look to your fabric netting. Here are the steps to laminate Mylar film to light fabric netting:

Materials you will need:

Mylar film
Light fabric netting (such as tulle or mesh)
Scissors or rotary cutter
Clear adhesive spray or double-sided tape
Iron and ironing board (optional)
Pencil or chalk (optional)
Ruler (optional)
Steps:

Prepare your workspace: Clear a clean, flat surface to work on, preferably a table or a large cutting mat.

Measure and cut: Lay out your fabric netting on the workspace. Determine the size and shape of the Mylar film pieces you want to laminate onto the fabric netting. You can create patterns or cut the Mylar into specific shapes as desired. Use scissors or a rotary cutter for precise cutting. It's a good idea to mark the Mylar film with a pencil or chalk before cutting if you need precise shapes.

Adhesive application: There are two main methods to adhere Mylar film to fabric netting: adhesive spray or double-sided tape.

Adhesive Spray: If using adhesive spray, follow the manufacturer's instructions for application. Typically, you'll spray a light, even coat on the back of the Mylar film and then carefully press it onto the fabric netting. Allow it to dry as per the product's recommendations, which may take a few minutes.

Double-sided tape: If using double-sided tape, apply it along the edges or in a grid pattern on the back of the Mylar film. Then, carefully press the Mylar onto the fabric netting, making sure it adheres securely.

Ironing (optional): If you're concerned about the adhesion or want to make sure it's more permanent, you can use a low-temperature iron to gently press over the Mylar-fabric combination. Place a piece of parchment paper or a thin cloth between the iron and Mylar to avoid direct contact. Be cautious with the heat to prevent melting or damaging the Mylar.

Trim excess: Once the Mylar film is securely attached to the fabric netting, trim any excess Mylar film around the edges using scissors or a rotary cutter to achieve your desired shape and size.

Finishing touches: Your laminated Mylar and fabric netting piece is now ready to be incorporated into your project. You can sew it onto garments, use it for crafting, or create stunning decorations as needed.

Keep in mind that Mylar film is somewhat delicate, so handle it with care during the laminating process to avoid tears or wrinkles. Additionally, test your chosen adhesive method on a small, inconspicuous area of the Mylar and fabric netting to ensure it doesn't cause any damage or unwanted reactions.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Fri Sep 22, 2023 9:36 pm

Our Antelope Valley Farm/Flight park was destroyed by arson on June 4th. LA fire Department was able to reduce damage through air drops even though propane tanks exploded by using water drops before the frames were destroyed, one 95% intact, the other 70% intact. I have many pics and video and it is unbelivable how Elon Musk was able to captue video of the event on twitter. We squarly blame the arson on Alex Dumas Director, Business & Legal Affairs at Sony Music Entertainment. Mexican Drug Cartels, and Sen. Bob Menendez. BTW the cartels were literally buldozed off the map.

Just to let Greblo know we will destroy our enemies no matter how long or how big they are no exceptions:
https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-ac ... 14944a8fa5

This will cost Sony 1 trillion dollars over time.

but we need time to reconcile our emotional losses.

We will continue our conribution to theis topic soon I hope.
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https://www.amazon.com/AmazonBasics-Sof ... R2WXC?th=1
https://www.amazon.com/eagle-creek-Haul ... SHCT6?th=1
https://www.paraglidingforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=27090
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=uLN3Sdw0ZZI
https://hang-gliding.com/retail/gliders ... 3-falcon-4
https://www.amazon.com/Expandable-Rolli ... B014E6X7PU
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sat Sep 23, 2023 3:30 pm

Such flight park loss and challenge, Doug! Ouch :!:
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Facing some first-blush your neat links, Doug:
1. The Trip Advisor discussion. I personally have been designing so that my HG packs DO FIT ON MY LAP AND ALSO JUST IN MY SEAT AREA, extending, if needed to the floor. Bulkiness is to be avoided. Some people's luggage are severely fat and bulky. May others aim for slim-enough HG packs that can stand on one's lap or the inches between knees. However, standing and front hugging a thinish item that does not bother aisles is very possible. Second packs can be relatively worn and nearly hidden ... not appearing as "travel luggage."

2. The product for the golf gear is a neat find in the directions that approach solutions for tiny-packing of a HG. I am tending away from have cross-section that is fattish; I yet see 12.99 x 14.96 x 50 inches as not thin enough for the standing-front hugging of a pack; 6 inch for the thin is about my max consideration; and I am working for less than 6 inches. I am aiming for non-travel-luggage appearances, but easy-just-bought-product appearing or the like.

3. Thanks. Rolling duffle bags are a neat exploratory realm. The one selected: 34 x 13.75 x 15 in / 66 x 26 x 38 cm might one day fit someone's tiny-packing of HG. So far, for me, such fattishness is still to be avoided. Keeping all such directions in mind....
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4. I will study carefully the PG packing challenges. Thanks, Doug. I am envisioning less bulky packing than PG on average (the PG superlite and very ultra minimum harnessing won't be beat)

5. Sail-held air can bulk up packs. An aim is to avoid packing sail-held air.

6. Nice summary text and description of the Falcon 3 and 4. The "short' pack is not the tiny-pack of focus, but teaches things to keep in mind. The early tiny-packed HGs may not have the performance of such an evolved wing. My first "solutions" are not likely to be but very conservatively-used wings with low flight performance but workable tote performance.

7. Studying luggage, tote means, etc. is certainly a fertile space tht is part of this Tiny-Packed HG Movement.

During visiting your good shares the following option wa forming in me: pack sail roll front or back of body keeping wide but thin format for the roll; then second pack for front pack: thin with spar set, but 12 inches wide against body.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Sat Sep 23, 2023 7:34 pm

I was unable to find any photographs of the Falcon 4 short pack shipping container that Willswing sells. Even though I think I have seen one at the Sylmar flightpark. Does anyone have a picture of this?
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:08 pm

Falcon 3 short-pack pictured: https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/28570928/falcon-3-short-pack-instructions-wills-wing-inc

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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sun Sep 24, 2023 3:25 pm

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The drawing shows more items than described in the below text. There are little spaces that might be used as hinted in the drawing.

Advanced experience could possibly sharpen the entire crutch-solution space. Also, some HGs won't need eight base telescoping tubing sets. Also, if the hand-press bridge is entirely on the outside of the vertically-set tube set, then the innerspace between the describe two sets of four telescoping tube sets could be used for tubes.
A human might decide to have very-thick soles to make him taller and provide storage space inside the very thick soles; the increased height could provide the design where the armpit rest bridge is higher; and thus, the tubes could be longer, say up to 5 ft.

Perhaps a HG might only need a thinner crutch of say 2 inches width by 12 inches wide in cross-section; have the hand-press hold mounted on the outside of the crutch in order to let the inner space be filled with more tubes; store other gear in smaller worn packs while reserving the long space in the crutch for spar and strut tubing.
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Line sets, straps, Joe Socks or Joe Cups, etc. could be distributed aroung the human body in smaller packs even inside of pants, on chest, on back, on chins, on thighs, on arms, etc.


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Single or double crutch system. I will address the single-crutch system first and some time later deal with the double crutch system.

Single Crutch Tiny Packed HG
Crutch Construction:
The crutch is constructed using eight sets of carbon-fiber tubes.
Each of the eight visible tubes contains telescoping tubes inside for various parts of the HG: kingpost, queen posts (2), wing rib struts.
Arrange the eight visible tubes into two groups of four tubes, with a 5-inch gap separating these two groups.
An armpit bridge binds the two sets of tubes at the upper part of the crutch.
A hand-press bridge is positioned lower down and also binds the two sets of vertically arranged tubes.
The crutchman rests his armpit on the armpit bridge for support, and he supports his body by pressing his hand on the hand-press bridge.

Sail Wraps:
The lower part of the assembly of vertical tubes, from the hand-press bridge to near the floor end of the crutch, is wrapped firmly and smoothly with hang glider sail material.
From 4 inches above the hand-press bridge to the armpit bridge, another section of hang glider sail material is used for wrapping.

Crutch Cross-Section:
The cross-section of the crutch, excluding the sail wraps, is approximated as a rectangle.
This rectangle has a width of 3 inches, representing the sum of the cross-sections of the four tubes on each side.
The length of this rectangle is 13 inches, which includes the 5-inch gap between the two sets of vertical tubes.
Each square arrangement of four tubes measures approximately 3 inches on each side.
Notice that there are to spaces of special interest; one space is the 3"x5"xsay 20" above the hand-press bridge and the arm-pit bridge; the other space is similar in size below the hand-press bridge. Those two spaces may hold HG line sets or other flight-session gear (first-aid, hang strap, hang loop, etc.) If needed, the human may have also some gear in a chest-pack and a backpack. Also, the human could wear a helmet. Perhaps some small packs strapped to chins and thighs, if needed.

If needed, the human may design special high-soled shoes with storage in the high soles; the increase height could allow from a longer crutch design.

Bus Usage:
While on the bus, the crutchman stands and holds onto bus-provided upper hand-grasp straps for stability.
The free hand holds onto a bus strap for additional support.
The crutch is used at all times on the bus, providing support for the crutchman.

This construction allows the crutchman to use their crutch effectively and comfortably for stability while using public transportation. Crutchman stands while on the bus and uses his free hand to hold the bus' upper hand-hold straps or rod for riding stability; he takes up little space on the bus; he does not even use a seat of the bus.

The unique design of the crutch, with its telescoping tubes and sail wraps, provides both mobility assistance and the means to transport the hang glider efficiently. The entire hang glider parts are distributed into being a crutch with auxiliary packing.

An option or two: The lower part of the crutch might be strapped to the adjacent leg of the human; this strapping might assure the crutch is integrated with the verticality of the human body's positioning of the crutch; such would show the bus driver that the crutch is integrated with the human. When off the bus on a trek, the crutch could be travois toted by attaching small strapped-on wheel. Or two sets of tiny wheels could turn the crutch into a long wagon-like item simply pulled by the human.

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The Double Crutch Solution
What was described in the Single Crutch Tiny-Packed HG Solution could hint at what could be done with a double-crutch solution.
A double-crutch solution might give thinner crutches if the tubing sets are one-layered rather than two-layered. Or the double deal might provide space for more parts.
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I fed Chat GPT 3.5 part of my text above for a prompt. The AI program then offered an echo as here presented:
Single Crutch Tiny Packed Hang Glider:

Crutch Construction:

The crutch is constructed using eight sets of carbon-fiber tubes.
Each of the eight visible tubes contains telescoping tubes inside for various parts of the hang glider, such as the kingpost, queen posts (2), and wing rib struts.
Arrange the eight visible tubes into two groups of four tubes, with a 5-inch gap separating these two groups.
An armpit bridge binds the two sets of tubes at the upper part of the crutch.
A hand-press bridge is positioned lower down and also binds the two sets of vertically arranged tubes.
The crutchman rests his armpit on the armpit bridge for support, and he supports his body by pressing his hand on the hand-press bridge.
Sail Wraps:

Hang glider sail material wraps the lower part of the assembly of vertical tubes, from the hand-press bridge to near the floor end of the crutch.
Another section of hang glider sail material is used for wrapping from 4 inches above the hand-press bridge to the armpit bridge.
Crutch Cross-Section:

The crutch's cross-section is an approximate rectangle.
It has a width of 3 inches, which represents the sum of the cross-sections of the four tubes on each side.
The length of this rectangle is 13 inches, including the 5-inch gap between the two sets of vertical tubes.
Two spaces of special interest are present: one above the hand-press bridge and the armpit bridge (3" x 5" x 20"), and another below the hand-press bridge (3" x 5" x 20").
These spaces can hold hang glider line sets or other flight-session gear (first-aid, hang strap, hang loop, etc.).
Bus Usage:

While on the bus, the crutchman stands and holds onto bus-provided upper hand-grasp straps for stability.
The free hand holds onto a bus strap for additional support.
The crutch is used at all times on the bus, providing support for the crutchman.
The design ensures the crutchman takes up minimal space on the bus and doesn't require a bus seat.
Options:

The lower part of the crutch might be strapped to the adjacent leg of the crutchman to ensure integration with their body's vertical positioning.
For treks, the crutch could be turned into a travois by attaching small strapped-on wheels or two sets of tiny wheels to turn it into a long wagon-like item that can be pulled by the crutchman.
This innovative design effectively integrates the hang glider into the crutch, allowing for easy transport and efficient use of space while using public transportation. It provides mobility assistance and gear storage in a compact form.


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Joe prompts:
Extra-wide crutch with hand press hold on the outside of box. The box would be 12 inches by 2 inches by 5 ft long. The top of the box would be the armpit rest. The hand-press device would be strapped onto the mid section of the long box. Inside the box would be sets of telescopic carbon-fiber tubes used to assemble a hang glider.

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It sounds like you're describing a unique and customized crutch design that incorporates a hand-press device and serves as a storage container for telescopic carbon-fiber tubes used to assemble a hang glider. This is an interesting concept, and it could potentially be a useful solution for someone who needs mobility assistance and is also involved in hang gliding.

Here's a breakdown of the components and features of your described design:

Extra-Wide Crutch: The crutch appears to be wider than standard crutches to provide stability. The top of the crutch doubles as an armpit rest, which is a common design feature in crutches to distribute weight and reduce discomfort during use.

Hand-Press Device: The hand-press device is attached to the outside of the box, presumably at a comfortable height for the user's hand to operate. This device may be used to activate certain functions, such as releasing or securing the telescopic carbon-fiber tubes inside the box.

Storage Box: The box has specific dimensions of 12 inches by 2 inches by 5 feet long. This long and narrow shape makes it suitable for storing the telescopic carbon-fiber tubes used in hang glider assembly. The top of the box serves as the armpit rest for the crutch.

Strapping: The hand-press device is securely strapped onto the mid-section of the long box, ensuring it stays in place during use.

Internal Storage: Inside the box, there are sets of telescopic carbon-fiber tubes. These tubes are likely designed to be disassembled and stored within the box when not in use. The box could have compartments or securing mechanisms to keep these tubes organized and prevent them from shifting during movement.

Overall, this concept seems to blend mobility assistance with recreational equipment storage, making it a versatile solution for someone who needs both support for walking and the convenience of transporting hang glider components. However, such a specialized design would require careful engineering and customization to ensure it meets the user's specific needs and safety requirements. Additionally, consulting with a healthcare professional or mobility expert would be advisable to ensure the crutch design is ergonomic and safe for the user.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Mon Sep 25, 2023 12:56 pm

Designing for less length and less pack volume than depicted in the following videos will take some creativity, but it can be done; stay aware the solutions may end up with fully-different experiences and craft; the videos show packs that are bigger and bulkier than the visions found in this topic thread and the Tiny Packed HG Movement. Inspired by the creative diligence of the Appellant's path and effort, stopping short of success is not an option. In honor of the Appellant's dedication and long suffering to helping hang gliding, I dedicate my part in the Tiny Pack Hang Glider Movement.

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