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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Tue Nov 07, 2023 1:16 pm

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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Tue Nov 07, 2023 11:14 pm

Is the pack a happy scene for you?
What makes you happy about the pack?

A packed hang glider is a "happy packed HG" for me when people next to me while riding the city bus with my pack(s) are not disturbed, when I can tow the pack easily when trekking to and from a launch site. Packs of 5-ft or less tend to be happier deals. Packs of 30 lb or less seem to tease a kind of special pleasant smile. Oh happy packed hang glider! What are your secrets?
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"short pack" in hang gliding is distinct from "ultra-short" .... beware.
"Short" may well be too long and might not rise to "happy-packed" ... depends, right? So measure for a design movement: 5-ft or less ... and also otherwise "happy."
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Wed Nov 08, 2023 2:53 pm

One day there may be factions within HPHG (Happy Packed Hang Gliders) distinguish by the focus of exploration:
Getting a happy pack for:
:arrow: Bow-based HG
:arrow: Bowsprit SS HG
:arrow: Bowsprit DS HG
:arrow: Delta SS HG
:arrow: Quicksilver Mod SS HG
:arrow: Quicksilver Mod DS HG
:arrow: Rogallo Mod SS HG
:arrow: Flying Wing SS HG
:arrow: Flying Wing DS HG
:arrow: Princeton Sailwing HG
:arrow: Biplane HG
:arrow: Disc HG
:arrow: Tensairity Cantilever Monoplane SS HG
:arrow: Tensairity Cantilever Monoplane DS HG
:arrow: Miller Conduit Condor Mod HG
:arrow: Inflatable HG
:arrow: Bamboo-based framing
:arrow: Fiberglass-based framing
:arrow: CFRP-based framing
:arrow: Telescopic spars
:arrow: Coilable spars
:arrow: Spinted-airbeam spars
:arrow: etc. :idea:
The factions might gather in various ways to share models, plans, experiences with their special foci.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:27 am

An option in rib-batten formation:
Two CFRP tubes of one meter each. Bond a coupler of aluminum tube to one end of just one of the two CFRP tubes. Upon assembly of HG: let the tension on sail compress the coupled tubes. Upon happy packing: uncouple the two tubes to one-meter approximately stacking.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Fri Nov 10, 2023 7:04 pm

Update:
I have completed the prototype telescopic hang glider just now with a 28 inch leading edge and a packing length of 8.5 inches.
I have some photos of the process unfortunetly the prototype is damaged and repaired 3 times.
The keel pocket needs to be movable as a way to trim the glider (duct tape/velcro).
If I can build one of these I can build 100 of these.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Fri Nov 10, 2023 9:39 pm

Doug: :salute: :salute:
Congratulations! Will be appreciating and studying whatever you show!
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sat Nov 11, 2023 9:08 am

In one project with a 16" diameter inflated bladdered main spar, a sail sock will be tauten by stand-off struts, the sock will be position-firmed by a line of hook-and-loop. Wing twist will be governed partially by upper and lower rigging. Packing options: accordion fold spar case or wrap on crutch; accordion fold sock or wrap on crutch format. Spar case will be pinched to provide a spanwise pocket for segmented compression member. Case will be secured firmly at the wingtips. Compression member packing option: coils of rod.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:26 pm

Of former note: Error correction. Not 16" inflated diameter, but 14.6" diameter.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:54 pm

My telescopic 28 inch hangglider made 3 test flights today but it is nose heavy (the nature of telescopic tube is heavier at the base.)
So I either alter the design or add ballast at the back of the keel.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:20 pm

This note aims to suggest that "telescopic" based HG frames need not necessarily be "heavier at the base" when various tactics are employed.
dhmartens wrote:but it is nose heavy (the nature of telescopic tube is heavier at the base.

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What tactics might keep a telescopically-based HG frame from loading the nose region too much?
Consider HGs with spreaders; consider having the central section of left or right leading edge spar be the holder of more mass per span-foot than the section of telescopic tubing supplying the nose region. The telescopy would have the larger diameter and massive tube section at the center section of the left or right leading edge. Let A be larger diameter section, B fitting inside A, and C fitting inside B and D fitting inside C. Note that wall thickness can bring mass; sections need not all be the same wall thickness. So, e.g., have the left LE spar be CAB; the B could be even less wall thickness if such still fulfills safety needs; the A could take the bending beating and the connecting with spreader. Buckling resistance from compression can arrive from a combination of wall thickness and outside diameter. In a CAB left or right LE spar, the A section plays a different role than the B section.
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