Tim Swait of Avian is speaking in the video Dynamic Cross Link DXL I make note: Be ready to notice in some historical constructions the equivalent dynamics in a nose There have been hundreds of noses in HG make flow over a century. The fine tuning of the DXL on a high performance hang glider may well see some assets from Avian's explorations. Spar twist impacts on washout angles are to be watched carefully.
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Tube coupling thoroughly explored may bless design reaching for low mass and low pack volume. [Forum Draft for USHawks.org]
TITLE: Tube Coupling Ways and Means for Ultra-Compact Hang Glider Spars (TPHG Concept)
Author: Joe Faust (discussion with AI assistant)
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## ORIGINAL QUESTION
Tube coupling ways and means? There must be hundreds of ways to couple two tubes! Some way may better bless the design of hang glider with low pack volume and low mass. Explore scores of ways by list.
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## EXPLORATION OF TUBE COUPLING METHODS
Designing joints for tubular structures (like spars in a compact hang glider) is a classic mechanical problem. There truly are dozens of viable coupling strategies, each trading off mass, stiffness, assembly speed, and pack volume.
Below is a structured exploration of many approaches used in aerospace, tents, bicycles, masts, medical tubing, and deployable structures.
11. Plain telescoping tube 12. Telescoping with stop shoulder 13. Telescoping with internal plug 14. Telescoping with strap stop 15. Telescoping with detent 16. Telescoping with ball lock 17. Telescoping with spring button 18. Telescoping with friction collet 19. Telescoping with compression ring 20. Nested tubes with tension cord
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3. Pin-Based Couplers
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21. Cross pin 22. Quick-release detent pin 23. Bolt and nut through both tubes 24. Clevis pin 25. Double shear pin 26. Spring button pin 27. Bayonet pin 28. Hairpin cotter 29. Magnetic pin retention 30. Sliding pin latch
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4. Threaded Couplers
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31. Male/female threaded tube 32. Threaded sleeve 33. Union coupling 34. Buttress thread coupling 35. ACME thread coupling 36. Left/right turnbuckle coupling 37. Threaded plug 38. Threaded collar 39. Threaded insert bonded in tube 40. Multi-start thread for fast engagement
Many successful ultralight structures follow these principles:
• avoid drilling holes in composite tubes • distribute loads gradually • use tension fibers rather than metal fasteners • protect tube ends from crushing
The Joe-Cup and Joe-Strap concepts align closely with these principles and may prove well suited to the Tiny Packed Hang Glider concept.
The good news is the 5 foot telescopic glider is no longer a threat to the military drone movement as they have a $400 solution drone so we can be declassified and proceed. Our weight shift drone is currently at the $2,000 pricepoint.
11. Plain telescoping tube 12. Telescoping with stop shoulder 13. Telescoping with internal plug 14. Telescoping with strap stop 15. Telescoping with detent 16. Telescoping with ball lock 17. Telescoping with spring button 18. Telescoping with friction collet 19. Telescoping with compression ring 20. Nested tubes with tension cord
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3. Pin-Based Couplers
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21. Cross pin 22. Quick-release detent pin 23. Bolt and nut through both tubes 24. Clevis pin 25. Double shear pin 26. Spring button pin 27. Bayonet pin 28. Hairpin cotter 29. Magnetic pin retention 30. Sliding pin latch
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4. Threaded Couplers
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31. Male/female threaded tube 32. Threaded sleeve 33. Union coupling 34. Buttress thread coupling 35. ACME thread coupling 36. Left/right turnbuckle coupling 37. Threaded plug 38. Threaded collar 39. Threaded insert bonded in tube 40. Multi-start thread for fast engagement
Your list of options is mind-knumbing. It reminds me of this quote by "Bubba" from Forrest Gump:
"Shrimp is the fruit of the sea. You can barbecue it, boil it, broil it, bake it, sauté it. There's, um, shrimp kabobs, shrimp creole, ... (next scene) ... shrimp gumbo, pan fried, deep fried, stir fried. There's pineapple shrimp and lemon shrimp, coconut shrimp, pepper shrimp, ... (next scene) ... shrimp soup, shrimp stew, shrimp salad, shrimp in potatoes, shrimp burger, shrimp sandwich. That's, that's about it."
dhmartens wrote:
I think the person building that model may not have put enough thought into it. The model seems to do a lot of "cross controlling (pilot rotating rather than translating). The problem may be based on the fact that the hands are free to slide along the control bar and don't actually grip it. But it's a good effort, and the problems can be overcome. Thanks for posting it.
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There is a slight chance I can demo and short pack the prototype at the SHGA birthday celebration 3/15/2026 however, I will appear highly depleted in battling her tripple positive breast cancer after 6 years as all my funds have been diverted to usda organic food for 6 years. Hungary Joe can corraberate. The prototype costs $2.50 so elimiating 150,000 russians in Ukrains costs less that half the cost of a single Tomahawk.
So I can see how when John Heiney is here working on My Predator. I will be asking Him questions as to the possibility of being able to Short Pack My Predator in spite of Those Le. Gths of Carbon Fiber Tubing. Short-Packing I got zone just love the concept
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For the beak have the two lines go from left to nose to right without break. Those two lines will support the airbeam that will also go from left to right without nose break. This should save several connections and give a smoother nose. Less parts. Still packable. One air valve.