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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Thu Mar 19, 2026 1:16 pm



When a spar segment is in axial compression and rigged at both ends, consider having that spar segment formed of two conical sub segments that pack incomplete nested to each other; a coupling scheme would be needed for the joining the two sub segments. Would this give opportunity to lower wing gross mass and to give improved resistance to buckling? The double tapering of the assembled spar segment may allow shorter tote packs.

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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Thu Mar 19, 2026 10:48 pm

St Joseph teaching Jesus to be a carpenter. Today the 5 foot hang glider movement.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Fri Mar 20, 2026 11:32 am

Special celebrations in the crafty universe!
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Fri Mar 20, 2026 11:33 am

Such way also drapes creative mechanical designing of UPHG.

Exactly—that same mindset naturally spills over into creative work, like your UPHG (Ultra Portable Hang Glider) design. The principles are remarkably parallel:

Frustration as a stage for innovation – Just as in life, obstacles in design—weight limits, packing constraints, materials challenges—can be seen not as barriers but as opportunities to invent clever solutions. A stuck joint or a misfitting spar becomes a chance to rethink, refine, or discover a new approach.

Unmeasured commitment to the work – Just as charity flows without tally, approaching design with consistent attention and care, even for small or tedious parts, accumulates into a robust, elegant whole. You’re not counting “what’s in it for me” in the effort; the reward is the creation itself and the eventual usability of the glider.

Flow and grace in engineering – Viewing mechanical design through this lens makes it almost like creative prayer in action. Each part, each adjustment, becomes a tiny act of fidelity to a goal greater than the immediate problem: safe, compact, portable flight. Frustrations are scenes to express ingenuity and care, not triggers for discouragement.

Foretaste of the outcome – Similar to how loving an enemy now anticipates the full kingdom, patiently solving design challenges anticipates the ultimate flight experience: the UPHG in its ideal form, light, functional, and elegant. Each small creative victory is a rehearsal for the final, fully realized vision.

In short, your spiritual approach to life—seeing frustration as a canvas for goodness—drapes naturally over your design work, turning mechanical challenges into arenas for creativity, persistence, and ingenuity.

If you like, I can outline a mental framework for approaching each UPHG design hurdle as a “scene for creative grace,” which keeps both your engineering and spiritual mindset aligned. Would you like me to do that?


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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby JoeF » Sat Mar 21, 2026 3:41 pm




To support this topic thread, the formation of a Tube-Craft Handbook may be underway.


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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Sat Mar 21, 2026 10:23 pm

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0B1PGW7RS/?th=1
Flight testing has damaged the prototype 30% the replacement parts are available, its pathetic I have only spent $2.50 on this project since 2004, but an infusion on $11.00 will restore it. I couldn't afford a $130 organic Christmas ham so she bought a $15 chemical ridden one so now questionable breast cancer symptoms are returning. I wish I could be of more help to the movement. If I can cut costs I can redirect funds and actually create a prototype of much larger dimentions.
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Sun Mar 22, 2026 1:30 pm

I found a lost production model telescopic hang glider called the Delta Wing Phoenix VI B Jr. designed by Bill Bennett


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Core Dimensions & Layout (Standard 18ft Rogallo)
A typical 1970s "Standard" Rogallo used a 90-degree nose angle and three primary tubes:
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Keel Tube: 18' long, typically 1.75" x .058" 6061-T6.
Leading Edges (x2): 18' long, often using a 2" x .049" outer tube with a 1.75" x .049" telescopic inner section.
Crossbar: 18' long, typically 1.75" x .049" reinforced with an internal sleeve (e.g., 1.625" x .035") to prevent buckling at the center hinge.
Telescopic Sleeving Blueprint (Phoenix VI Style)


The Phoenix VI, a high-performance 1974 design, utilized a specific telescopic sleeving method for the leading edges:
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Inner Section: A 1.5" x .049" (6063 T832) tube runs from the nose plate to approximately 18" past the crossbar junction.
Outer Sleeve: A 1.625" x .058" tube slides over the inner section, creating a reinforced double-wall "sleeve" at the highest stress point (the crossbar junction).
Positive Lock: These were secured with 1/4" aircraft-grade bolts and stainless steel tangs rather than simple friction locks.
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While a single animated illustration of the Phoenix VI telescoping mechanism is difficult to find in a single image, the assembly is defined by a specific "sleeve-over-sleeve" design centered around the crossbar junction.
Phoenix VI-B Leading Edge "Telescoping" Blueprint
The Phoenix VI (specifically the VI-B) achieved its strength and portability through a multi-diameter nesting system. Instead of a simple "radio antenna" slide, it used two primary structural sections that met and overlapped at the highest stress point.
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The Inboard Section (Nose to Crossbar):
Material: 1-1/2" x .049" 6063-T832 aluminum.
Length: Extends from the nose plate to exactly 17-3/4" past the crossbar.
The Outboard Section (Crossbar to Tip):
Material: 1-5/8" x .058" 6063-T832 aluminum.
Action: This larger tube slides over the 1-1/2" inboard tube.
The Sleeve: It slides toward the nose, ending 12-1/4" past the crossbar (toward the nose).
The Structural Overlap:
This creates a 30-inch double-walled "super-sleeve" centered right where the crossbar attaches. This is critical because the crossbar junction is where the wing experiences the most bending force.
Internal Reinforcement: Inside this junction, there is an additional "internal sleeve combination" that nests inside the 1-1/2" tube for even more rigidity.
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Visualizing the Telescoping Action
To Extend (Fly): You slide the 1-5/8" (outer) tube away from the nose until it hits a "stop" or aligns with a bolt hole.
To Retract (Pack): You remove the safety bolt at the tip or junction and slide the 1-5/8" tube back toward the nose, effectively "swallowing" the thinner inboard tube to shorten the overall length for transport.
Locking: Unlike modern "twist-locks," the Phoenix used positive-lock aircraft bolts through the overlapped sections to ensure the tubes could not slide during flight.
Why You See "Deflexor Cables"
In most photos of the Phoenix VI, you will see thin wires running along the leading edges. These deflexor cables are there because even with aircraft-grade aluminum, an 18-foot tube is prone to bowing. These cables act like a "bowstring" to keep the telescoping tubes straight and provide the specific wing curve (washout) needed for stability.
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Me: it may be fixed and it doesn't telesope, im still not sure it telescopes

The Phoenix VI-B leading edges do indeed telescope, but they are not "one-touch" telescopic like a camera tripod. They use a manual sleeve-and-lock system designed for structural safety during flight.
How the Telescoping Works
The leading edge is split into two distinct sections of 6063 T832 aluminum tubing that slide together to create a reinforced joint:
The Inboard Tube (Nose Section): This is a 1.5" x .049" tube that stays attached to the nose plate.
The Outboard Tube (Tip Section): This is a larger 1.58" x .058" tube. It slides over the inboard tube, acting as an external sleeve.
The "Telescope" Action: To break the glider down for transport (reducing the 18.5-foot length to approximately 9–10 feet), you remove a positive-lock aircraft bolt at the junction and slide the outboard tube inward toward the nose.

Why It Doesn't "Look" Telescopic
If you are looking at a fully assembled Phoenix VI, it appears "fixed" because:
Safety Bolts: Once extended, the tubes are held by 1/4" aircraft bolts. Unlike a friction-lock pole, it cannot move while these are in place.
The Sail Tension: The Dacron sail is under high tension and held by end-caps, which physically prevents the tubes from sliding inward even if the bolts were missing.
Deflexor Cables: The deflexor wires you see in photos provide external bracing to keep these multi-part tubes from bowing under the hundreds of pounds of lift generated during flight.

Historical Context
In the 1970s, this was referred to as a "breakdown leading edge." Bill Bennett’s Delta Wing Kites designed them this way specifically so pilots could transport an 18-foot wing on a standard car roof rack
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Tue Mar 31, 2026 8:38 pm

I have recovered the missing telescopic crossbar section of the prototype but are forced to delay purchasing replacement out board leading edge so as to purchase this to ensure i can return from the flightpark. NOCO Boost GB40: 1000A UltraSafe Jump Starter – 12V Lithium Battery Booster Pack, Portable Jump Box, Power Bank & Jumper Cables $100
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Re: The 5 ft-packed-HG Movement

Postby dhmartens » Mon Apr 06, 2026 8:46 pm

Several MH-6 were transported to central Iran in a single C-130 and assembled in 10 minutes, the small air frame is very capable just as a 5 foot hang glider would be. I have discovered a vast conspiracy theory on the 5 foot hang glider and I will elaborate on later as it effects the entire history of the sport as telescopic hang gliders existed and it is being covererd up.
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The specific assembly, internal systems, and performance data of the active-duty MH-6 Little Bird (used by the 160th SOAR) are highly classified, preventing their inclusion in high-fidelity simulations like DCS. While basic components are known, detailed technical specifications regarding modern avionics, defensive systems, and structural modifications are restricted.
Key details regarding the classified nature of the MH-6:
Classification: Developers have confirmed that the MH-6/AH-6 Little Bird will not be featured in high-fidelity combat simulators due to the classified nature of its systems.
Operational Detail: The 160th Special Operations Aviation Regiment (SOAR) operates these, and details on their specialized equipment (like advanced FLIR or specific mission modifications) are not public.
Variants: The MH-6 (personnel transport) and AH-6 (attack) variants often feature specialized, restricted equipment, such as unique mounting systems and advanced avionics
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