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Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler

Postby JoeF » Mon May 23, 2016 2:10 pm

Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler
======================== Post links and photos. Notes. Captions. Stories. If you were there, please post a note at least once in this topic thread. We feel confident of capturing some note or image on most of those at the party, but to be sure, help is needed to get a near complete record.

Wow! :!: :!: :!: What a day! Three pelicans honored the site near the beginning of the party.
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Start:
Brian Porter ::
https://www.facebook.com/brian.porter.3194/videos/1045802095510283/ Floyd Fronius brought his version of the Icarus II. Taras Kiceniuk, original designer of the Icarus II was present. Brian Porter is shown flying the Icarus II. The two lower wings have signatures of scores of hang glider pilots and others. Later in the day Taras Kiceniuk, Jr. flew the same wing. History here all over the place :!: Brian flew at Nags Head Hang Gliding Spectacular just a week earlier; busy guy; both sides of the USA! Brian brought his Voyager.
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Juan Corral and son Noah ::
http://ushawks.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=1932

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Soaring at Dockweiler
Many were cleared for slope soaring by the instructor team Joe Greblo, Andy Beem, and Greg DeWolf.
Watch for images and videos. Great wind for the party!

Watch for story and images from several regarding the soaring flights of Roy Haggard, Bob Kuczewski, Floyd Fronius, Cyndia Zumpf Klein, Efi Gluzzer, Joe Greblo, Joe Faust, Andy Beem, Bob Bendetson, and others.
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John Dickenson ::
I gave him a book that featured Otto Lilienthal's glider works. And he was one of the 33 that lucked out on getting a day's shirt gifted by US Hawks' Bob Kuczewski.
I reviewed with John how in 1908 at an official sport hang gliding meet there was a W. Simon who had a foot-launch battened flexible-wing hang glider that featured the cable-stayed triangle control A-frame with pilot hung behind for weight-shift control; that W. Simon even took out some legal papers regarding the configuration. Such historical fact made it not validly possible for global invention of such mechanics to be formally soundly invented later. Disclaimer note: This John Dickenson is not the one from Australia. :)
John signed the Windsports guestbook and also the US Hawks guestbook.
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Victoria McBride ::
She was at the Otto 44 and arrived again for this Otto 45 party! Great to see her again! She applied an Ace Bandage wrap around a pilot's sprained ankle at the party; thanks! Watch for her in the various photos showing up on the Internet for the Otto 45.

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Re: Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler

Postby JoeF » Mon May 23, 2016 6:42 pm

Angela Boras made a few videos.
Here is one of my Condor 330 flights. Happily I flew three different wings at the party: Condor 330, Seahawk 140, and a bow-sprit Antares (different from the Antares I flew at last year's Otto 44 party. The launch in the video was missed; maybe someone else caught the flight's launch. Thanks to wing owner Windsports.

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My Seagull Aircraft Seahawk 140 over-weighted ground skimming flight. Notice the guessed concern from Joe Greblo. He told me to respect the weight I was placing on the tiny wing, less than half the Condor area. (about 43% of the Condor 330)
Thanks to wing owner Chris Bolfing.


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My third wing type flown at the party: Eipper-Formance Antares bowsprit
Thanks to wing owner Tom O'Brien
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Re: Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler

Postby ARP » Mon May 23, 2016 9:28 pm

Well done Joe, interesting how that object on the beach became a magnet!
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Re: Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler

Postby Frank Colver » Tue May 24, 2016 12:20 am

I've posted this link elsewhere in the forum but this is also an appropriate topic to post it again.

Video of Mark Lambie talking some history: https://vimeo.com/167829006

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Re: Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler

Postby JoeF » Tue May 24, 2016 8:04 am

Great oral history, Frank, on the Lambie Hang Loose, etc. scene.
:salute: :clap: :clap: :clap:

COVER OF THE HANG LOOSE PLAN
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Re: Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler

Postby JoeF » Tue May 24, 2016 8:06 am

Thanks ARP.
That object is a county plastic barrel trash can often containing straws and cups and plates for the making-on-the-spot quick tethered wings for kiting!

John Heiney just sent his view's video of the small Seahawk flight:



John gave a still photo also of same moment as video, May 22, 2016. Joe Greblo of Windsports giving some send-off advice to me. To right is standing Floyd Fronius in green shirt. Thanks to Chris Bolfing for preserving the Seagull Aircraft Seahawk 140. Seagull Aircraft and Self-Soar Association, Low & Slow, Hang Glider Weekly ... shared the second floor in a Santa Monica building owned by the aviation pioneer and hang glider Waldo Waterman. Recently the building has been replaced with new constructions.
John took the linked high resolution of the launch-focus moment:
http://www.energykitesystems.net/HangGliderHistory/SeagullAircraft/SeahawkJoeFbyJohnHeiney.JPG

I contracted to own the copyright on the Seagull III plan generated by Mike Riggs; the plans were then published both as an issue of Low & Slow as well as a separate item sold throughout the world.

My 60-Minutes deal involved the Seagull III flight at Sylmar over Olive View Hospital. Story and photo link (CBS requires that the photo not show except through the one link on my history timeline page; all other uses are not permitted. See timeline page: T8

Europe early Seagull III plan radiance:
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Early Dockweiler when bike path was in LZ: Seagull III
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Seahawk filler: Francis M. Rogallo flying a Seagull Aircraft Seahawk:
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Re: Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler

Postby Frank Colver » Tue May 24, 2016 3:31 pm

Here's my flight at the 45th anniversary meet whereby I lay claim to the oldest to fly at the event. Anybody know of anyone older than 81 to fly that day?

https://vimeo.com/167953501

Last year Bob Chase flew at 90 years of age! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

I'm pushing for more HG pilots to follow me into "the golden years" of hang gliding.

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BTW - I didn't realize that I got a push off assist at launch until I watched the video. Every little bit helps :thumbup:
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Re: Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler

Postby JoeF » Tue May 24, 2016 3:57 pm

Frank's video of his Otto 45 party flight:
https://vimeo.com/167953501
Still clips from his video:
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Re: Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler

Postby JoeF » Tue May 24, 2016 5:36 pm

At Otto Meet 45:

Bill Watson
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So good to see and talk with Bill. Bill was an integral part of the team for the Gossamer Albatross.
PDF: http://aerosociety.com/Assets/Docs/About_Us/HPAG/Magazine/HP_albatross.pdf
Sunday he took some interest in possibly being part of the exploratory team on the novel aviation method that could involve hang gliders being discussed in US Hawks.
Bill is a high-tuned intuitive scale aircraft modeler.

Some exploration over part of Bill's aviation realm: http://tinyurl.com/BillWatsonHANGGLIDER
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Re: Otto Meet 45 at Dockweiler

Postby Frank Colver » Tue May 24, 2016 6:08 pm

Bill Watson and I discussed the potential of making a carbon frame for the Wills Condor. Bill thought we could get the total weight down to 35 pounds. One advantage that the Condor design has is that it doesn't need to be designed for high G stresses because it is only, in this case, to be flown at Dockweiler. Mike Meier commented to me Sunday that the design limit of the existing Condor design is 3 G's and that is why it is not certified. It is not to be used for anything but flight schools which should operate in mild conditions. In a carbon design we would not need to exceed the present design limit.

I would like to proceed with this idea, especially since I'm itching for a major project now. I feel something is missing in my life if I don't have a project going and my last multi week project was in 2013 when I converted my home built dual-sport trike from gas to electric power (see photo). I'm planning to discuss this "Carbon Condor" further with Bill.

It was great seeing him again, it has been since the Sept 2000 Dockweiler meet when we last saw each other (I've known him since he was a teenager and certainly one of the brightest "kids" I've ever known).

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BTW - I corrected the link to my flying video.
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