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Re: Point of the Mountain, August 2018

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:31 pm

Here are a few photos from flying Frank's Swing Seat at Point of the Mountain last week ...

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Can you say ... FUN ?

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Re: Point of the Mountain, August 2018

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:19 pm

Logan just recently posted about a blanket statement from the National Forest Service regarding hang gliding:

Logan wrote:This is the first time I got a blanket statement from the US Forrest Service saying there is no club requirement on public land:

Hi Logan, I am the recreation manager on the Lost River Ranger District in Mackay, Idaho, and I have been asked to answer your question on the King Mountain Hang glider site. The launch site is located on public land, so a membership in a club or organization is not necessary to hang glide there. However, King Mountain is an advanced flying site known for strong thermal conditions, moderate turbulence, and occasional high winds that can develop quickly. Several passes/gaps exist in the Lost River Mountain Range to the north that will compress and multiply the existing wind speed. Rams Horn Canyon, Pass Creek, and Double Springs Pass are examples of these features. Take extra care to approach these locations with sufficient altitude and upwind clearance such that a forced landing in the canyons/pass is avoided. It’s also a good idea to contact a local pilot prior to flying here for the first time. Thanks! -=Melissa=


This matches what I got from Utah DNR:
The rules at the park are as follows. We do not require flyers to be members of the local club or USHPA to fly at the flight park. We encourage and think it's a good idea to be members and receive training with a group, as from what I have found, offers some good insurance coverage if you are, but it is not required to be a member.


As far as I can tell, the National Park Service is the only public land entity that doesn't understand Federal Law.

Logan


Good Job Logan!!!


BTW, I couldn't remember what "DNR" stood for, so I searched the U.S. Hawks. This topic popped up, so it seemed like an appropriate place to post. This summer will be 10 years of the U.S. Hawks, and we have accumulated a tremendous depth of history in that time. We are the only major hang gliding forum where history isn't systematically rewritten by its owner(s). I thank all members of our U.S. Hawks Board (past and present) for their commitment to Truth.  :salute:

It's also always good to remember and thank those who've worked for our freedom to fly.
Logan is once again a hero to the sport of hang gliding.

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Re: Point of the Mountain, August 2018

Postby Bill Cummings » Thu Jun 11, 2020 7:15 pm

Would a FOIA demand be helpful requiring public servants
to produce in writing the laws/rules/statutes governing
land that all pilot cannot be excluded from?
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Re: Point of the Mountain, August 2018

Postby Logan » Tue Jun 23, 2020 7:04 pm

Bill,
I can't imagine it would hurt, but it seems most public servants don't know or don't care about such trivial things like laws/rules/statutes.

The only places I've seen that actually require club memberships are National Parks and Torrey, both of which have somehow associated club membership with safety. Neither of which see the FAA as an authority on gliders (yes, I do actually have that in writing from NPS).
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