[hawk891]

Copying from the freedom of speech zone. This has all been one big misunderstanding. I was misled by Bob, but Bill set the record straight. I was not aware that the US Hawks was actually a private organization, with private rules, exactly like all the other forums. Their house, their rules. I have absolutely no issue with this, and completely agree with Bills last post making this clear. Copy/Paste for easy reference. I fully support Bobs private property rights and rights to moderate his own private property and will abide by his rules. I have no right to enter his private property and make freedom of speech claims, that everyone knows do not apply to private individuals and their private property. But to be fair, I was very misled by Bob on this. Read below. I no longer have any rights issue with this forum, because I do not have any here, and that is perfectly fine. I fully support Bobs private property rights and rules.


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The Hawk are not a governmental entity. The constitution only protects you from government.
When you clicked on the, "agree" button to log on here you made a contract to waive rights and follow website rules.
I did too. Once again, If the private owner says you can't have a gun in your lunch bucket you waive your 2nd amendment rights at the entrance
as a condition to enter. Does this help you realize how it works? I can always try again with other words.

Bill, then please correct Bob. He keeps lying about that.

One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.

You just made it very clear, beyond a doubt, that this forum is not a public forum, with freedom of speech rights. It is just another private forum, with it's own house rules. Your post makes perfect sense and I agree with you!

I've been entirely misled by Bob's lies and quotes which he has made numerous times all over this site. If it is truly the case that this site does not have freedom of speech, as Bob has been misleading me to believe, then I have no issues at all with what is happening on this forum. His private property, his rules. I support his right to moderate any way he pleases. That's America. My right's cannot trample his.

Thanks again for clarifying there is no actual freedom of speech here. Just private property, and guests need to abide by the rules, including me, just like all the other forums I have ever been on that Bob incessantly complains about lacking freedom of speech.

Now we know that this site is precisely the same and we can reference your post the next time anyone thinks they actually have freedom of speech rights here. They do not. Thank you again for settling this. But you can't blame me. Bob has consistently misled everyone on this.

One big difference between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really does honor the free speech of its members.

It clearly does not, as you have indicated, so Bob should really say:

Moderator's note. The following statement was NOT made by Bob Kuczewski
as might be implied by the misuse of the quotation box.

One big *similarity* between the US Hawks and other organizations is that the US Hawks really is a private forum, and freedom of speech does not apply here, because this is private property and not a government run institution

That clears everything up. Thanks again. Please motion to stop Bob from lying about this and misleading everyone. It will cause future flame wars for sure. He completely convinced me we had freedom of speech here, when clearly we do not, as you have pointed out

I no longer have any issues with this site.

[hawk891]

Someone should motion to change the site FAQ to reflect what Bill said. It would have saved me from all this arguing.

The FAQ should make it very clear, this site is private property and thus freedom of speech rules do not even apply. Anyone who passed civics knows this. Freedom of speech only defends citizens from their government, not other private citizens. Members of this community must follow the house rules, and the private owners have absolute rights to moderate any way they choose. That is exactly what I would demand of my guests in my own private home. No one should ever have an issue with that. Claims of freedom of speech when you are on someones private property are nonsensical and only prove the person has no idea what they are talking about

Please update the FAQ immediately.
Bob should also change his misleading quotes about freedom of speech here on this forum. It's very misleading and had me completely fooled. I never would have said any of the things I did if Bill had made his perfect clarification earlier. My apologies Bill.

[magentabluesky]

Wait, that may be an explanation of your rights on and off private property but

Were you treated fairly?

Does a Christian Baker in Colorado have to make a gay wedding cake for a gay couple?

Bob, Joe, Bill did you treat Hawk891 fairly?

[magentabluesky]

Bob did you treat Hawk891 fairly?

It is a yes or no answer.

[magentabluesky]

Conservative Republicans defend people’s rights.

Liberal Democrats promote causes.

[Bob Kuczewski]

Bob did you treat Hawk891 fairly?

It is a yes or no answer.

Yes.

hawk891 is probably Jack Axaopolous!
Who else would have such a Bob Derangement Syndrome?

Michael Grisham, I am asking on your word of honor, have you posted using the name "hawk891"?

It is a yes or no answer.

[magentabluesky]

No.

[JoeF]

More than fairly.
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Filler:

Sent: Wed Feb 20, 2019 5:03 pm
From: JoeF
To: hawk891

Hawk891,
You are welcome to fly free at Dockweiler on Monday and Tuesdays when Windsports is closed. Just sign the free Waiver at the office of Beaches and Harbor office.

Hope to see you there. I do not get there every week. Conditions are watched.

Best of Lift to you and yours,
Joe

[wingspan33]

I will note that Bill Cummings has not posted to this thread. Did he say what is claimed? Did Bill say that the US Hawks have the same rules as Oz or sg.org? If Bill is believed to have said that then I think he was misunderstood. "Members" who come here with the intent to wreak havoc and act in an abusive way will be moderated. Just as a law breaker would be in the general public. I have watched while Bob didn't censure someone when I would have. I have talked with Bob directly and found that he has a tremendous amount of tolerance for people saying things he may not agree with.

This thread appears to me to be an utter fabrication of misinformation (lies) about what Bob K and this site are all about. I am the # 2 member of this site. Leading up to this site I first created one similar on Google Forums site. However, Bob, being more computer literate than I created this MUCH BETTER web site for the US Hawks. Just because he created it doesn't make it his! This site is for the members of the US Hawks and its affiliate clubs. The prior posts to this thread seem to describe Bob as the same kind of dictator as are Davis Straub and Jack the Axe. Bob K is NOT. No where near close. More like the polar opposite.

I don't know who you are "hawk891" but seeing as how you haven't identified yourself and are going around "wreaking havoc" then I think it's time for you to stop. I, for one, enjoy putting muzzles on mad dogs. Time for you to be placed in your own individual kennel cage where your loud unjustified threatening barking can't bother others.

[magentabluesky]

hawk891 is probably Jack Axaopolous!
Who else would have such a Bob Derangement Syndrome?

Michael Grisham, I am asking on your word of honor, have you posted using the name "hawk891"?

It is a yes or no answer.

No.

To add to this, I am like everyone else, I do not know the identity of "hawk891". I may have my suspensions and guess, but that is all it is. No one has confessed to me or confirmed to me that they are indeed the "hawk891".

Furthermore, I can raise my hand and take an oath on the witness stand that I have not made some back alley deal in a conspiracy or engaged in any collusion in this matter.

Hawk891 sent me one very brief private message on the US Hawks message board. I did not respond. I usually don’t share private messages but because it was so brief and to participate fully in open disclosure, here is Hawk891’s message:

Subject: bob
Sent: Tue Feb 19, 2019 10:01 am
From: hawk891
To: magentabluesky
Is this guy for real?
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