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Re: Banned of Brothers

PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 11:17 am
by magentabluesky
Yea, I get it.

Little Scottie and Bobbie are living in a make believe world.

The US Fantasy Hawks.

Re: Banned of Brothers

PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:01 pm
by wingspan33
magentabluesky wrote:Yea, I get it.

Little Scottie and Bobbie are living in a make believe world.

The US Fantasy Hawks.


I seem to remember a couple months ago that someone claimed to have an issue with another member of the US Hawks. Four people, besides the person being accused, considered the claim and found that it lacked a valid basis. So, four reasonable people (discounting the accused) found that the "claim" made by this member was unfounded.

That could be worded differently as this - "That member's claim was not based in reality. Perhaps it even originated in a make believe world."

The lead off quote, above, uses the word "are". It does not say "may be" or "in my opinion, could be". Mr. Grisham, I would like you to define exactly who "Scottie and Bobbie" are. I don't want to make any erroneous assumptions.

If you more specifically identify these two named individuals and they are members of the US Hawks, then what you are saying could be taken as another negative and disparaging statement. Such statements don't tend to lead to positive exchanges.

Personally, I've used the name little Mikey Grisham because I felt that I was dealing with a person/adult(?) that was behaving more like 4 year old throwing a tantrum. If a member of the US Hawks can't manage to act like a mature, respectful adult, then perhaps a title befitting a screaming infant is a better fit.

Re: Banned of Brothers

PostPosted: Sat Mar 16, 2019 1:40 pm
by Bob Kuczewski
magentabluesky wrote:Yea, I get it.

Little Scottie and Bobbie are living in a make believe world.

The US Fantasy Hawks.

Michael.Grisham,

You seem to be living in a make believe world where the banning of pilots does not cause them any pain or harm. In the real world, there's no doubt that Jack's banning of Joe Faust has caused Joe both pain and harm.

It may be true that Jack might have a "legal" right to cause such pain and harm to Joe. No one has seriously argued against such a legal "right". We have, however, argued against those who support Jack's abuses by propping up Jack's web site with posts that do not at least include a protest of Jack's mistreatment of Joe.

Is that clear enough?

Re: Banned of Brothers

PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:46 pm
by choppergirl
I'm finding EAA deletes my comments off their Youtube videos immediately, so they can doubly bite me. Don't patronize or support any organization that practices censorship.... just my two cents.

Back when I ran a game server, you could say whatever you wanted on it, call me a fat cow, talk trash at me, even spout baseless vitriol. As long as there was any small amount of intelligence behind it at work to put words together to communicate some message, whether I agreed with it or liked it or not, I let it pass. About the only thing I banned was repetitive spam or robot spam that clogged up the channel and had no useful content to it.

Re: Banned of Brothers

PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2019 8:38 am
by Bob Kuczewski
choppergirl wrote:Don't patronize or support any organization that practices censorship.... just my two cents.

Amen. Amen. Amen.

There's far too much "shaping" of truth in the so called "information age". Your statement is perfect, and it underscores one of the central problems in the sport of hang gliding. Thanks!

Re: Banned of Brothers

PostPosted: Sun Sep 08, 2019 12:18 pm
by Bob Kuczewski
Ben Reese

I just heard from Ben Reese that he was banned from ozreport.com operated by Davis Straub. As usual, there was no notice given and no due process review. To the general public, it might appear that Ben didn't have anything more to say. That's not true, and these bannings continue to harm the vitality within the sport of hang gliding.

In speaking with Ben, I could hear that the ban has also decreased his interest in hang gliding in general. I don't blame him, and being disconnected from the pilot community has probably cost the sport many otherwise active participants. The sport of hang gliding is too small to be continuously decimated by the petty tyrants that operate USHPA, hanggliding.org, and ozreport.com.

I've updated the first post in this topic to reflect Ben's recent ban. I believe this is the only list of such bans available anywhere, and yet even this list is likely incomplete. Most bans are done without much fanfare, and the banned pilot just disappears.