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Re: Understanding Tow Releases

Postby ZackC » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:46 am

On Rooney's maliciousness...
Tad Eareckson wrote:He's off the scale stupid and ignorant...

Doesn't make him evil.
Tad Eareckson wrote:...he lies whenever it suits his goals...

I believe he makes stuff up*, but I can't prove it, and I'm not convinced there's deceptive intent.
Tad Eareckson wrote:...he steals ideas and claims them as his own...

I don't think I've seen this beyond his use of the word 'we' when describing the development of current practices and equipment.
Tad Eareckson wrote:...he endangers other people...

Not intentionally.
Tad Eareckson wrote:He doesn't just stagnate things in hang gliding - he's a significant component of the forceas that have hauled them backwards.

It was hauled backwards before he even arrived on the scene. How have we further regressed since he started flying?

I try not to have contempt for anyone...blame it on my Christian upbringing.

Zack


* Example:
Jim Rooney wrote:I've seen too many people walk the "strong link" road only to find out the reality of things.

He was later unable to give a single example of such a person.
Jim Rooney wrote:You've not heard about strong-link incidents.
Uh, yeah… cuz we don't let you use them.

Still, he didn't contradict his first statement...
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Re: Understanding Tow Releases

Postby TadEareckson » Sat Sep 24, 2011 4:17 pm

Doesn't make him evil.

The consequences of off the scale stupidity and ignorance in people with aviation tickets which allow them control and influence over other people's safety (tug driver, tandem pilot, instructor, observer) can be - and inevitably and frequently are - indistinguishable from those of evil intent. And when these people knowingly and deliberately violate regulations and ignore advisories the distinction gets pretty blurry.

I believe he makes stuff up*...

Which would be another way of saying you believe he lies.

...but I can't prove it...

I can.

Jim Rooney - 2008/02/11

A Bailey release can not be rigged incorrectly. Yours was either a bad copy or an incomplete/defective release. A proper Bailey release has a rivot stop in it that prevents it from being rigged wrong. Yours did not have this.

After arguing this with Tadd, he eventually "fixed" the same "problem" with his barrel release... a "problem" that was already "fixed" in with the Bailey release. Before he added the stop, you could rig his the same way.

He's referring to this idiot malfunction:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aerotowrelease/2233914537/

that one Ridgely idiot invented because he didn't think that the normal Bailey hookup had enough ways to kill you.

I was making straight pin barrels well before Jim arrived on the scene and a pair of mine were on one of the two Ridgely tandems on which he learned to fly. The runs of eighth inch leechline are stitched together along their lengths so it's physically impossible for that malfunction to occur - and you hafta try pretty hard to duplicate it with a straight pin even if they aren't.

This alleged argument is pure unadulterated fiction.

You can give him the benefit of the doubt and say it was just an honest delusion of grandeur issue but after you've pointed out obvious and indisputable facts and he allows the statement to stand without apology or retraction it's a LIE.

...but I can't prove it, and I'm not convinced there's deceptive intent.

What's it take to convince you? He pulls this shitt ALL THE TIME.

Steve Kroop - 2005/02/09

Weak links are there to protect the equipment not the glider pilot. Anyone who believes otherwise is setting them selves up for disaster.
...
Weak links do NOT prevent lockouts and no amount of weak link rules will prevent lock outs
In the event of a lock out releases are there to save the pilot

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/25

I mean seriously... ridgerodent's going to inform me as to what Kroop has to say on this? Seriously? Steve's a good friend of mine. I've worked at Quest with him. We've had this discussion ... IN PERSON. And many other ones that get misunderstood by the general public. It's laughable.

That is an OBVIOUS intent to DECEIVE.

And remember his response to your point about about Bart's bent pin folding in half? Not responding to a raised issue is another really good tactic for deception.

I don't think I've seen this beyond his use of the word 'we' when describing the development of current practices and equipment.

See above.

Not intentionally.

I think he DOES endanger people intentionally. Every time I put the bent and straight pins on the tester and load them up Bailey flyers get scared shitless and ask me how long it'll take for me to set them up with something that'll work work when they need it to.

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/26

Not quite.
Her hand slipped on the metal tube as she was expecting a light pull.

I think it's pretty obvious that he'd rather got somebody killed in lieu of admitting that Tad ever had an idea worth listening to.

It was hauled backwards before he even arrived on the scene.

Yeah.

How have we further regressed since he started flying?

Maybe we haven't - but he sure uses every means at his disposal to reinforce the brickwork impeding our ability to get back to some of what hang gliding had in 1974.

Ridgely's first weekend of operation - Memorial Day 1999 - we were blowing 130 pound Greenspot like popcorn. I asked Chad why we didn't just use something heavier. His explanation was that we were already doing 260 pounds on a bridle end and that putting a lot of stress on the glider as it was - and I bought it. I can't believe I was that stupid. If I hadn't been I might have had a pretty good shot at changing history at that moment.

But now Rooney has all the morons in this sport convinced that 130 pound Greenspot was decided upon after a lot of careful deliberation within The Priesthood and catastrophic consequences resulting from other experimental avenues.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=bTa6XL16i0U

I try not to have contempt for anyone...

I was like that a long time ago. Then I got to know a lot of people a lot better.

...blame it on my Christian upbringing.

My own Christian upbringing - much of which took place in the public school system before the Supreme Court put a partial lid on things - didn't do a whole lot to discourage holding lotsa classes of people in contempt. Had to work most of that out on my own - the hard way.
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Re: Understanding Tow Releases

Postby TadEareckson » Sun Sep 25, 2011 10:45 am

Peter Birren - 2008/04/25

You pointed out the main problem of snagging the bridle with the pro-tow and keel-released V-bridles.  Don Hewett and I have written often, and you have mentioned as well, that having the release at the bridle apex - between bridle and towline - totally eliminates this problem.

I'm getting more and more convinced that Peter's hearing about wraps on tow rings and assuming they're wraps on wires. And I'm still waiting to hear of a single reliable report of a bridle even contacting a wire in which the glider didn't deliberately yaw away from the towline or accelerate towards a tug.

P.S. Rooney and lying and stealing ideas and claiming them as his own...

In case there's anybody thinking this might be an it said / he said issue:

Before he added the stop, you could rig his the same way.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aerotowrel ... 141352219/

Where's the stop "Tadd" (his name ain't all that hard to spell - 'specially when it appears as his user name in all of his posts) eventually added after God's Special Little Messenger finally got through to him and convinced him to fix the dangerous defect in his eighth inch leechline based straight pin barrel releases?

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Re: Understanding Tow Releases

Postby TadEareckson » Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:15 pm

Oh dear, it appears that Peter has lost interest in the discussion. And I was SO enjoying our little chat.

Coward Tad. Big talker. No brains. No comprehensive ability. Still spouting the same blind, ignorant crap.

Ignorant coward, you haven't got a clue about reality. Still not taking your meds?

Tad, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. Your total ignorance of the static tow system and how it works is exceeded only by your penchant for making up answers to your own questions without learning from reality.

I see you are still trying to pawn off on someone else what you can't do yourself. Fuckin' coward... ignorant coward.

Tad, you ignorant slut, if you read further than your selective snipping reaches to somehow prove a point, you would have read how this works.

Asswipe!

And SO looking forward to getting some straight answers to a few of my questions. And maybe one or two of Warren's as well.

Oh well, I've got enough interesting quotes from him to have plenty of fun without his ongoing participation.
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Re: Understanding Tow Releases

Postby TadEareckson » Mon Sep 26, 2011 7:59 pm

ZackC - 2011/09/24

By the way, while the discussion that prompted my quote above was taking place, I was in SoCal, where I had several great discussions with Joe Greblo. The first time I chatted with him I was checking email or something on my phone after a day of flying and he just sat next to and started talking to me, completely unsolicited. He said he likes picking the brains of visiting pilots because they bring an outside perspective and he's constantly looking for someone to challenge his ideas...never mind that I'm not a 'professional' or an instructor. He's totally open to the possibility of being wrong. He also has a progressive mindset and questions the establishment. His attitude, to me, seemed to be the exact opposite of Rooney's...it was quite a contrast.

Jim Rooney - 2011/08/25

So most of this was just the same old story of debunking Tad's lunacy...

So were you able to bunk him with any of Tad's lunacy? Maybe just the part about using weak links proportional to flying weight and strong enough to hold longer than half a dozen seconds into a normal smooth Santa Cruz Flats dolly launch?
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Re: Understanding Tow Releases

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:13 pm

ZackC wrote:I try not to have contempt for anyone...blame it on my Christian upbringing.

Zack

I think you're on the right track there Zack. There are people who do stupid and bad things, and my goal is to keep them from doing those stupid and bad things. Sometimes I'm even one of those people myself!!

It's generally a bad idea to make statements about people rather than their actions. Tad's biggest downfall (in my opinion) is that he continually tries to label the people rather than their actions. I'm not saying that there aren't really stupid people and really bad people. But most of the time, I've found that people just make mistakes and that doesn't make them either stupid or bad. It just makes them people.
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Re: Understanding Tow Releases

Postby TadEareckson » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:30 pm

This country incarcerates an insanely high percentage of its population often for insanely long periods, and most of those people are locked up for getting on the wrong side of its lunatic State Religion - which is Christianity (not that you can't find admirable people with that label here and there if you look hard enough).

There are, however, genuine dangerous sociopaths who have proven at every opportunity that they need to be put behind something very thick, solid, and high - permanently. And if you open the door and try to find something good in these people there will be a lot of genuinely good people who will immediately pay very big prices before the SWAT teams get there.

One of Jim Rooney's Queenstown tandem ride predecessors has a felony conviction for manslaughter as a consequence of him not making sure everyone was connected to the glider IMMEDIATELY before it started moving. The only reason Rooney doesn't have a felony conviction for manslaughter is 'cause his victim was a lot luckier a little bit under three years later.

In the absence of further information I feel sorry for Steve Parson. And I'll bet if I told him I was gonna fire up the time machine and hit him with a few five hundred dollar tickets for failing to check connection status IMMEDIATELY prior to a few launches in the days leading up to 2003/03/29 he'd throw his arms around my ankles and kiss my shoes soggy.

DarthVader - 2011/08/28

I did not feel sorry for him when he was in the hospital.

Even though I had an extremely strong dislike for that asshole at the time - I did.

Is that wrong?

No. I was. And that is NOT a mistake I'll be making again.

Try to find ONE WORD of apology to his victim, her family, or the hang gliding community. He didn't do anything wrong - just matter of shitt happening, coulda happened to anyone, just another highlight on his pilot resume, makes him an authority on the subject.

And he uses that authority (which, insanely, he DOES have) to kill the "JUST PRIOR TO LAUNCH" message/regulation...

Christian Williams - 2006/09/19

Joe Greblo teaches a hook-in check the instant before launch. To him, a hang check is part of the preflight and has no value in confirming that you are hooked in at the moment of launch.

...every chance he gets.

Tad's biggest downfall (in my opinion) is that he continually tries to label the people rather than their actions.

If someone you didn't hate were about to enter into a relationship with Jack and you only had time to yell six words before the train pulled out of range, what would they be?

Goddam right I've got huge database of labeled glider divers - think I'll put it up on my website. Wish I had had one thirty-one years ago - but three by five cards were expensive, bulky, and difficult to sort.

And elephants have really great memories so's they can differentiate the wildlife biologists and filmmakers from the ivory poachers.

My biggest downfall was that I really sucked at labeling people - BASED on their actions - thirty-one years ago.
But most of the time...

But - trust me - not THIS time. We're talkin' pure unadulterated sociopath. And we're mixing pure unadulterated sociopathy with - in effect - a complete absence of regulation and accountability.

His attitude, to me, seemed to be the exact opposite of Rooney's...it was quite a contrast.

I guard real heavily against having heroes in this sport but damn near everything I've ever heard from, attributed to, and about Joe makes me think very highly of him.

And Zack's saying Rooney's the polar opposite.

And Sam's singing in harmony with Rooney.

Do the math.
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Re: Understanding Tow Releases

Postby Bob Kuczewski » Tue Sep 27, 2011 7:22 am

Tad,

I think it's the hate itself that you love. It's the hate itself that addicts you.

With regard to Jack, I don't hate him or wish him ill. I just want him to correct the things he's done wrong. I want him to return the TorreyHawksForum.org web site to the club. I want him to stop banning people from hanggliding.org and the HGAA. Those are measurable and observable actions. They don't require any impugning of character or assumptions of intent. They don't require Jack to be forever labelled as "bad" or for anyone to wish him dead. That's where I'd like to see you go with your own animosity. But I think you're too addicted to the hate. You're too addicted to the fight.

It's a shame because it obscures everything you have to give.

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Re: Understanding Tow Releases

Postby TadEareckson » Tue Sep 27, 2011 10:34 am

I think it's the hate itself that you love. It's the hate itself that addicts you.

Paul Farina - 2008/12/16

Tad,

You've got a real fine love, brother.
Glad Jon got us back together, doing what he does best! Believe me, I could write a book about him!

ian9toes - 2009/06/14

I strongly disagree with banning the one guy who has the most knowledge about safety issues involving what I believe is the most dangerous part of our sport. I hear someone dies every year from towing. I hope SG bites his tongue in the interest of public safety. Maybe just changing the heading of the post to Blatant plug for aerotow weaklink. Does anyone really think he stands to get rich out of selling these, I don't think so. I suspect his main motivation is to save some lives and to not have all his hard work gone to waste. Keep the cocky bastard on I say.

deltaman - 2011/09/05

Thanks Tad !

I leave flatlands for the alps..
I'd like to thank you sincerely Tad to help me to introduce 2 point AT in France in a safely manner and understand better lot of important stuffs about AT (release, wl, asymmetrical tension..). I try to relay your work here.
Thanks Zack too for having offered you a place to talk about, and for us to ask and read.
Regards Guys

With regard to Jack, I don't hate him or wish him ill. I just want him to correct the things he's done wrong. I want him to return the TorreyHawksForum.org web site to the club. I want him to stop banning people from hanggliding.org and the HGAA. Those are measurable and observable actions.

How's the progress coming along on those items?

They don't require any impugning of character or assumptions of intent.

Of course not. He's really a fine person interested only in providing a friendly and positive, approachable community for people interested in the sport of hang gliding.

They don't require Jack to be forever labelled as "bad" or for anyone to wish him dead.

They don't preclude it either.

That's where I'd like to see you go with your own animosity.

Show me how you're getting better mileage with your approach than I am with mine.

But I think you're too addicted to the hate. You're too addicted to the fight.

You've said this is a war. This IS a war. Hate is a pretty inevitable - and, arguably, useful - element of war. Especially when there are pretty solid demarcations between good guys and bad guys, as is the case here - if you buy into the two plus two equals four thing anyway.

But I think you're too addicted to the hate. You're too addicted to the fight.

It's a dirty job but...

It's a shame because it obscures everything you have to give.

1. Ya know what REALLY obscures everything I have to give? Ban buttons - like the one on The Sam Show.

2. When was the last time you checked out what was going on at Kite Strings?
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Re: Understanding Tow Releases

Postby TadEareckson » Wed Sep 28, 2011 9:15 pm

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Right up to the point at which the truth starts conflicting with your core assumptions and the questions start getting difficult and/or embarrassing to answer. Then you disappear from the conversation like a bat outta hell.

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