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Resolution to Right
joefaust's picture Submitted by joefaust on Sun, 10/25/2015 - 07:30
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Resolution to Right
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United resolution of HG challenges
will be keyed when HG community
-----------------one-by-one------------
becomes proud of being a HG pilot;
a core test of such pride will be when
the HG community en masse
rights the wrong done to fellow hang
glider pilot Bob Kuczewski; the insurance/org
question won't be properly resolved by
hearts that bypass the injustice served
by the USHPA to a fellow pilot.
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Bille replied on Mon, 10/26/2015 - 18:29 PERMALINK
MAKE ME LAUGH !! new
Seriously ---
Your Making me Laugh , so hard ; i "Think" i'm gonna :
PEE !!!
Bille
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Bob Kuczewski's picture Bob Kuczewski replied on Wed, 10/28/2015 - 10:08 PERMALINK
THANKS JOE. new
Thanks Joe.
Human nature has always been susceptible to the formation of lynch mobs and injustice. That's been a pattern from the imprisonment of Galileo, to the Salem Witch Trials, to the lynching of African Americans in the deep south.
There have always been those like Bille who jump on the lynch mob bandwagon and fuel the injustice.
But likewise, there have always been those like yourself with the coolheadedness to look objectively at injustice and to speak out against it.
In the long haul, history discovers which ones to glorify ... and which ones to condemn.
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Bille replied on Thu, 10/29/2015 - 23:39 PERMALINK
YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THAT ? new
You honestly believe that history will remember , and glorify you ?
You believe that an injustice has bin done to you ?
You must think i'm a mindless sheep, in a grass pasture ; ready to follow you for
the food Ya bring to the table ?
lets recap the BK record to date :
*You got booted off the Two-Main forms , in the USA ; that could best be used as a vehicle, to solidify
your ideas, to your want to be followers .
**You were a elected Regional director for the USHPA ; and you got Booted off
that position, because you could not get along with others that didn't hold your
same beliefs .
***And, ((didn't)) you actually get Booted out of the USHGA, as a member in Good standing ?
That's a question ; do you hold a current USHPA card ?
WHY would i wanna follow , someone like YOU ?
Why would i wanna follow someone , that appears to NOT be able , to get along
with other humans ?
Bille
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fixinair's picture fixinair replied on Fri, 10/30/2015 - 08:49 PERMALINK
QUESTION FOR BILLIE new
yes or no question.... 1- do you think that all the greedy corporate insurance companys are gouging people.....
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Bille replied on Fri, 10/30/2015 - 09:37 PERMALINK
IN SOME CASES , YES !! new
I just dropped my AAA auto and Home ins-co ,and went to Farmers.
They gave me the same coverage, for 1/2 the price; and I saved
near $1K a year total for both . That's a LOT ; AAA was pure Greed !
The question you really want to ask is :
"does the USHPA need fixing" ?
Any company that can be run more efficiently, (is good); that constitutes
the same as being Fixed.
I Have a Major Problem , with Bob K , being the one doing the Fixing.
My problem with him , has everything to do with my previous post !!
Bob is a Great guy , when viewed as a pilot , and telling stories. He
lent me his glider one day, for an evening flight at Torry ; it was
Awesome ! Unfortunately , he doesn't have the skills to be a leader ;should
I recap my reasons why ?
Bille
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fixinair's picture fixinair replied on Fri, 10/30/2015 - 17:40 PERMALINK
THANK YOU BILLE new
Thanks Bille
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Bob Kuczewski's picture Bob Kuczewski replied on Fri, 10/30/2015 - 10:47 PERMALINK
COMPREHENSION new
Bille, you wrote to me:
You honestly believe that history will remember , and glorify you ?
My post above contained a total of 6 sentences (if you count "Thanks Joe" as a sentence). Please pretend this is a reading comprehension test and tell us who I said history would glorify. I'll give you a hint ... it wasn't me.
The Big Question ...
Bille is attempting to divert our focus from the big question we're facing right now: How should we structure the self insurance of our sports? USHPA would like everyone to contribute to a pool of money that they will control through their continued monopoly. I am advocating for an independent pool of money that will support competition in the HG and PG marketplace. I would like to see an independent insurance pool that makes its decisions based on actual safety records of pilots and not based on political vendettas.
If you agree that it's time separate insurance from politics, then please join me in spreading the word that we can make the RRG independent of USHPA's control. Don't accept anything else. The time is now to make this happen.
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Bille replied on Fri, 10/30/2015 - 09:57 PERMALINK
HE GOT : "EVERYTHING HE DESERVED" ! new
Bob-K got everything he deserved ; he made his own choices, and
fitted his own sheets to his own bed ; and NOW :
(he must sleep in it).
HAY -- Joe : "do you still fly hang gliders ; or do Ya just talk about, how
we should run our own lives" ? You use to be an Awesome guy ; what happened , because
it appears, that Ya got kinda cynical. You talk about how Dangerous a PG is ,(non stop)
and how anyone that does that activity , Should Stop .
You talk about how screwed-up the USHPA is . If you want to change things, then
make an impression on your friends and pilots ; then go run for a Regional Director spot,
and do change from the inside. Bob-K did that , (then got BOOTED_OUT) because of
personality conflict with other Directors. Perhaps you can do better ?
Bille
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Don S. replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 07:48 PERMALINK
BOB HAS SOME INTERESTING IDEAS. new
Why personal attacks (Bille) - find something better to do with you time. Please stop.
Bob has some interesting ideas.
Bob, I think a rather large obstacle to your insurance idea is the pilot population just wants to fly and doesn't care if they pay USHPA a $100 a year or $75.00 a year to a pooled insurance policy. Look at the response here. 3 people commented.
Another issue would be the cost involved with setting up, buying in, and managing all this. Most of these flying clubs are small and run by volunteers.
I commend you for taking the time to voice your opinion.
Regarding the USHPA in general, trying to replace, or provide an organization that is comparable to USHPA is a tall order. I think trying to change USHPA might be a better use of your resources.
I personnaly dont care if USHPA provides/administers the insurance or some other entity does. The dollar amount as far as premiums seems incedental at this point in time. I suspect most others have a similar opinion.
Don
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Gastón Nogués replied on Fri, 10/30/2015 - 21:48 PERMALINK
I NEED A BEER new
I don't care if I pay $75...$100...or even $150 a year to the ushpa. I spend more on beer every month.
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Bob Kuczewski's picture Bob Kuczewski replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 01:47 PERMALINK
HI DON, new
Hi Don,
Thanks for the comments.
I tend to agree that it's not a matter of money to many people (although it is to some).
For me, the big issues are free market competition, choice of provider, responsible actions by leaders, and fairness to members. I believe USHPA's monopoly is hurting our sports in all of those areas. I don't know if USHPA was at fault in any of the other incidents, but I KNOW that they refused to take action at Torrey. Was the Torrey lawsuit the straw that broke the insurance camel's back? Given the timing (suit settled this spring/summer) I would say "yes". If USHPA showed any indication of changing their ways, I might not be so down on them controlling the RRG. But they haven't.
I apologize to Joe because I helped steer his topic toward the RRG discussion and away from his call to right the wrongs done to me by USHPA's expulsion. Of course I'd like to have that fixed, and it's painful to not be able to fly at the many sites where I've flown for over 10 years. But the window for action with the RRG is very small. If we're going to do something, it has to start happening very soon.
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Bille replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 10:33 PERMALINK
YOU STILL , DON'T GET-IT !! (SAD) new
Bob Kuczewski wrote :
...
I apologize to Joe because I helped steer his topic toward the RRG discussion and away from his call to right the wrongs done to me by USHPA's expulsion. Of course I'd like to have that fixed, and it's painful to not be able to fly at the many sites where I've flown for over 10 years.
...
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And tell our readers , (Exactly WHY) you got expelled from the
USHPA ?
Tell us WHY you got Booted from your position as a Regional Director
for the USHPA ?
Tell us All , (Exactly WHY) you got Booted off .ORG forum, and OZ ?
You see --- if it were Rebar-Dan, that was the one advocating a change
for the USHPA, and the way it was currently being run ; I would be
behind him 100% ,(You Bob , ya don't have the personality) that
Dan has . That is why Dan was a GOOD Leader ; and you aren't !!
That is NOT a personal attack ; just the truth (.)
Bille
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Bob Kuczewski's picture Bob Kuczewski replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 10:51 PERMALINK
BILLE WROTE: new
Bille wrote:
And tell our readers , (Exactly WHY) you got expelled from the USHPA ?
Tell us WHY you got Booted from your position as a Regional Director for the USHPA ?
Tell us All , (Exactly WHY) you got Booted off .ORG forum, and OZ ?
Short answer: I challenged the people in power ... and they didn't like it.
Long answer: If you don't get the short answer, you won't get the long one either.
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chriswvv replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 12:24 PERMALINK
PLEASE STOP new
Thanks,
Chris
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Rebardan's picture Rebardan replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 13:45 PERMALINK
2ND new
hear hear.
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jeffbether's picture jeffbether replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 14:12 PERMALINK
3RD new
hear, hear, hear
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Bille replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 17:44 PERMALINK
NO MORE FROM ME ! new
I'll Stop ; hope Bob , and his side-kick , will also comply ?
Bille
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Birdbrain's picture Birdbrain replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 18:49 PERMALINK
PLEASE USE YOUR OWN FORUM FOR YOUR POSTINGS! new
Bob K.
I can't speak for others but I'm really tired of your post, all of them!!
If you have a beef with who ever gave you the boot, please post on your own site, Please!
Every post you make is Controversial and I would rather read about a members awesome flight or even a sledder that made them smile.
Please for the sake of Hang Gliding and CSS, use your own forum for your opinion!
Thank you!
P.S. I'm a proud member of both CSS & USHPA!
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Bob Kuczewski's picture Bob Kuczewski replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 20:46 PERMALINK
READ WHAT YOU LIKE AND SKIP WHAT YOU DON'T new
Gentlemen,
I've been a member of the Crestline club for most of the last 10 years. Some years I've done a lot of flying there. Other years not so much.
During all of that time, I don't think there's been a single complaint about my flying.
I've also pitched in (in very small ways) to help out when I could. When I was Regional Director I listened to the concerns of all members and did my best to find fair solutions to problems.
Joe Faust started this topic because he felt that an injustice had been done. I agree with him. An injustice has been done, and my ability to fly at your site has been severely limited by an organization that dictates the terms of use at your site. This topic is largely about discussing mechanisms for Crestline to regain the authority to make its own decisions about which pilots deserve to fly ... and which don't.
I can certainly understand that there might be differences of opinion on some of these topics, but if you don't like reading something, just don't read it. Is that too hard for anyone to do?
Let me be clear that my posts are directed only toward those who welcome these discussions. If you don't, then please, for the sake of everyone, just don't read ... and certainly don't post.
Thanks in advance for your cooperation.
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Bob Kuczewski's picture Bob Kuczewski replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 21:12 PERMALINK
BACK TO THE DISCUSSION ... new
Our USHPA insurance pool is created with member's money. I have contributed to that pool for over 10 years and many of you have as well. Most of us have never made a claim against that pool (including myself) but we've paid anyway to cover those who have made claims. We've contributed to that pool year after year after year because it has allowed us - individually and collectively - to fly.
This past spring USHPA held a "hearing" where the Directors voted to expel me. I was charged with a long list of "crimes" but I was not allowed to bring a single witness to prove them false. I was also not given direct citations in the USHPA rules (bylaws and SOPs) where any of my supposed "crimes" (like starting the US Hawks) were forbidden. I was also not allowed to bring representation. Instead, I had to face the entire Board alone - even though they had unfettered access to their own legal representation. I also have not gotten any transcript of the testimony or the discussion leading to my expulsion.
Now some people reading this don't care about justice and they make their decisions based entirely on who they like and who they don't. They're the ones trying to shut down this conversation. But I believe there are others in this club who can set aside their personal likes and dislikes to really ask whether justice has been done or not. If you're one of those people, then Joe's original post was meant for you. It's your voice that Joe was trying to bring forth when he started this topic, and I hope you'll join in.
Thanks,
Bob Kuczewski
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Birdbrain's picture Birdbrain replied on Sat, 10/31/2015 - 22:00 PERMALINK
WOW new
Bob K.
What don't you understand Bob K? You created your own problems not the rest of the flying community, you and only you by your actions and it's those actions (postings, how you handle yourself around members, etc......) that's what I don't like. I don't know you personally but I've witnessed how you acted around others and that's what I base my opinion of you on!
I would say that 99.9 % of CSS members are happy with USHPA and don't have a personal vendetta against them and really do not want to hear your opinion.
Sooooo Please go post your opinion and your agenda on YOUR Site!!
Thank you Bob K.
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Bob Kuczewski's picture Bob Kuczewski replied on Sun, 11/01/2015 - 11:45 PERMALINK
BIRDBRAIN new
Hello Birdbrain,
This is my site also. I've been a member of the CSS fairly consistently since around 2004 or 2005.
You (and several others) seem very determined to shut down any discussion of alternatives to the USHPA RRG push. You seem to want to shout me down with name calling and insults rather than having a rational discussion.
Why do you suppose you're behaving like that?
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Bille replied on Sun, 11/01/2015 - 23:47 PERMALINK
... MUST HAVE A VALID USHPA MEMBERSHIP. new
Thanks for donating membership money to the club ; but Please don't
jeopardize our club, by flying without the insurance, that is supplied
by the USHPA. !!
Andy Jackson Airpark Protocols & Etiquette
To protect our site, and the pilots who fly here, we request you respect the following few rules of site etiquette:
All pilots and passengers must have a valid USHPA membership.
All pilots and passengers must wear helmets.
This site requires a USHPA Intermediate (H3 or P3) rating. ...
...
Bille
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Bob Kuczewski's picture Bob Kuczewski replied on Mon, 11/02/2015 - 00:01 PERMALINK
BILLE'S RESPONSE ... new
Bille's response is worth preserving:
Bille replied on Sun, 11/01/2015 - 22:56
... must have a valid USHPA membership.
You might be a member ; but at least i don't have to Fly with Ya
Unless
The Airpark Protocols ; Don't mean anything, to you ?
Andy Jackson Airpark Protocols & Etiquette
To protect our site, and the pilots who fly here, we request you respect the following few rules of site etiquette:
* All pilots and passengers must have a valid USHPA membership.
* All pilots and passengers must wear helmets.
* This site requires a USHPA Intermediate (H3 or P3) rating. ...
* ...
Bille
There are a number of people on this forum who may disagree with me on any number of issues. But very few are so loathsome as to take joy in my inability to fly.
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Bille replied on Mon, 11/02/2015 - 00:32 PERMALINK
I DON'T ENJOY ANYTHING new
I don't enjoy Anything about your situation ; just don't want it to affect ME (.)
I can turn off , your never ending posting .
Bille
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Don S. replied on Mon, 11/02/2015 - 07:20 PERMALINK
POLITICS CAN BE NASTY new
Bob,
Injustices happen all the time. We live in a flawed world with flawed people. Based on your comments of what occurred, perhaps a libel case or persuing other civil damages would be worth looking into. Or just let it all go and move on.
Based on your coments, I think I would walk away and figure all this is just what sometimes happens in life.
Perhaps take up sailplane flying or something similar. Different group of people, different mindsets, in my opinion.
Life is too short and there are too many other things that are a better use of your resources than this, in my opinion again.
Signing off. Don
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Bob Kuczewski's picture Bob Kuczewski replied on Mon, 11/02/2015 - 08:24 PERMALINK
THANKS DON. new
Thanks Don.
Some folks say: "Life is short. Have fun."
I prefer: "Life is short. Make a difference."
Thanks for your comments. They've made a difference to me.
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