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Re: What could go wrong?

Postby Rick Masters » Fri Mar 18, 2016 2:44 am

0:49 Common paragliding method of death

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The guy who lived over Flight Realities on Adams Avenue before me died in a towing accident lockout.

Steve Spurlock, 28
February 22, 1976
Gillespie Field, Riverside, California, USA
Towing accident. El Cajon Air Show. Experienced flyer and towing personnel. Some turbulence. The right leading edge of Spurlock's Manta Windlord prototype broke at 250 feet. Spiraled in. He crashed and died in front of 5000 spectators.

Don Partridge told me about Steve.
We were talking about one of Don's primary XC directives, His primary directive, actually. It was, "Keep flying."
No matter what, "keep flying."
Never give up.
You fly the glider. Never let the glider fly you.
Don was inspired by Steve.
Said he was Bob Skinner's "main man" at Flight Realities until he got killed.
Steve Spurlock wrote, ""Hang gliding burns energy – a lot of mental and physical energy. It's a mind game with unknown and limitless rules. The further a pilot ventures into unknown regions, the greater the risk. At any time, a new set of circumstances may appear that do not follow the rules of flight known to the pilot. On this occasion, he must be persistently innovative, striving to regain full control of the situation."

This might be the source:
Guide to Rogallo Flight
A Hand Book for Beginning Hang Glider Pilots
Bob Skinner, Rich Finley, Robbie Skinner(Illustrator), John McVey (Photographer), and Steve Spurlock (Photographer)
Publisher: Flight Realities (1974)
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Re: What could go wrong?

Postby JoeF » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:13 am

This was a today's unpublished draft intended for OZ Davis arena; the paragraph was not published, as I've given more thought to Rick Masters' guidance just to focus here on forming a national HG org. My take of the herding under MGF for continuation of PDMC-PG marriage is that that show and ball is rolling along with such momentum that it would be a misappropriation of energy to dance that game that will just deepen the marriage with PDMC PG. So, I am now choosing to simply direct all available hobby energy toward a recreational HG focus. Just let the MGF herd get to where they are going; it is not a place I want to go.

Unpublished draft note wrote:The course of USHPA and PASA keeps the PDMC unaddressed, embedded, hugged, dominant ...
and forever bringing losses to recreational hang gliding. Keep going on such
course and reap its natural results. Repair the error of joining PDMC PG;
form a hang-gliding-only RRG and HG-only national org. Get as much
distance as possible away from PDMC PG. Hang gliders, do you want
to continue on the PDMC-PG path? If not, get out of the PG herd.
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Now is a good time to get as clear as possible about the impacts of staying joined
with PDMC PG movement. And consider the eventual benefits of going to HG focus
without the PDMC PG.
May each pilot obtain the good she or he wishes.
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Re: What could go wrong?

Postby Rick Masters » Fri Mar 18, 2016 10:23 am

    Last night I watched an Outside Magazine Red Bull special on speedriding from Mont Blanc and in Alaska. It was pretty interesting for someone like me, who constantly studies the attrition within these sports. The pro-speedflying documentary didn't much dwell on the dangers, although it did show one of the team miraculously escape falling down into a bottomless crevass by ten feet or so when his canopy stalled and collapsed, dropping him between crevasses on the side of the mountain.
http://www.redbull.com/us/en/adventure/stories/1331695509199/the-unrideables-alaska-range-explore-new-ski-lines
    What struck me most was the incredible difference between speedflying and hang gliding. These folks have a completely different goal orientation and mindset. Unlike hang gliding, it's all about flying close to terrain at breakneck speed. No wonder it's one of the most dangerous sports in the world! It was fascinating to watch and I tip my hat to their skill. But it leaves the elephant-in-the-room question hanging, "Why is hang gliding involved?"
    I could understand hang gliding being loosely associated with speedflying. We could share landowner permissions and launch site protocols in the relatively uncommon cases where launches share the high 30-degree angles they need. But there is no way sane hang glider pilots would ever want to share public perception or insurance of any kind with PDMC daredevils on parachutes. The risk is horrifying.
    For years I have been criticized by the paragliding-dominated U$hPA for refusing to "live and let live" when I protest parachuting being combined with hang gliding. But to me, "live and let live" requires the recognition of separate entities - not joining the sports at the hip. When you take a safer sport and mix it with a more dangerous one, the safer sport suffers. There is no advantage. The advantage goes to the more dangerous sport. You can see this in the reporting of the national worldwide orgs that give attrition numbers to the press in terms of "freeflight." By using "freeflight," all aspects of hang gliding are averaged with paragliding and speedflying. Hang gliding can no longer take pride in its record or build its reputation. It is now utterly dependent on the record of paragliding and speedflying for its public perception, including the perception of insurance providers. Tragically, for hang gliding, even the emphasis on safety we were once so proud of seems to have been dilluted by the new daredevil or armchair-piloting mindset of soaring parachutists.
    I have documented over 1400 paragliding fatalities worldwide since the fateful decision to join the sports was made. Combining the sports has proven to be a disaster for hang gliding. Do I really have to list what has been lost? Where is the magazine? Where is affordable liability insurance? Where is affordable membership? We had all of these things when the memberrship was much smaller and consisted of only hang glider pilots. Now does the public even recognize the difference between hang gliders and parachutes anymore?
    Where do we go from here? The answer is, actually, "Where ever we choose."
    We really are free to set our own course. The vast majority of flying sites in the U.S. are available to us. Nothing prevents us from sharing responsibilities with other clubs. We just want to be recognized as responsible hang glider pilots.
    Many hang glider pilots appear to be satisfied with the current situation. That's fine. I am calling for a return to recreational hang gliding as a niche sport, just as it was before the paragliding and rampant joyriding and training monopolization showed up. The US Hawks forum is the proper place for that discussion. The ability to express these ideas is protected here. We don't have to agree, but at least we can bring it up and be free to give it some thought. When I tried to discuss issues of PDMC-related safety or separation on Paragliding Forum and OZ Report, the defacto U$hPA forums, I was constantly attacked by soaring parachutists and antagonistic "moderators," then ultimately kicked off. When I suggested to some Hawks that they were wasting their time going head to head with antagonists on other forums, I was mostly hoping they will focus their efforts here, instead. I have faith that those interested in a new beginning will flock here (pardon the pun).
    I see we've found a few who agree. This is not to say we shouldn't respond to members of other forums - but let's first put those responses here, on the Hawks Forum. That way we can depend on there being a record instead of a removed post surrounded by adolescent attacks on some other poorly managed forum.
    USHPA will always say what we are thinking is a bad idea. There is no way they would consider an alternative because it eats away at their base. Witness BobK's expulsion for "daring to form an alternative national hang gliding organization." That was his right, USHPA. And should the Hawks incorporate, they will stand on equal footing with the FAA, by law.
    Right now, the US Hawks is a forum, tossing around ideas on how to form that alternative national organization. If we choose to take the big step, there will be genuine elections. You will choose the people who hold the helm. The founder of the Hawks, BobK, has been very careful to bring like-minded or fair-minded people into the forum, while leaving the antagonistic and belligerent to the other forums where they belong. I give him a lot of credit for this. But be aware, on the day of voting we all will be tasked to remain vigilant against those who would seek to destroy the Hawks for the purposes of the USHPA. The key to our success will remain this forum and its guarantee of reasonable discourse.
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Re: What could go wrong?

Postby Rick Masters » Sun Mar 20, 2016 3:48 pm

What a coincidence. A soaring parachutist just fell into a crevasse on Mont Blanc and died.
http://www.bfmtv.com/societe/haute-savoie-un-parapentiste-se-tue-dans-une-crevasse-du-mont-blanc-960626.html
I wonder if they'll close Mont Blanc airspace to hang gliding again this summer because of so many paragliding accidents?
My guess is: probably.
But it is no doubt worth it to European hang glider pilots.
Gives them a chance to stand in solidarity with their freeflight brethren.
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Re: What could go wrong?

Postby Rick Masters » Sun Mar 20, 2016 4:51 pm

...form a hang-gliding-only RRG

I am not at all convinced that an RRG is a good fit for recreational hang glider pilots.
A small niche sport association would never raise the minimum amount of money needed for an RRG, much less management, fees and claims.
I would first suggest trying to join with EAA or SSA or even AOPA.
We fly the most fundamental and inexpensive sailplanes, after all.
And we even have liability exemptions provided to landholders by the states.

Something I would suggest is to canvas members for info on how long it takes them to reach the nearest flying site they can use that is free of restrictions.
We don't want to fall into the trap of making a mountain out of a molehill on this 3PL issue.
The US Hawks should form around a core of members using freely available sites and worry about public liability insurance later, if ever.
Those who really need 3PL have it available through an optional USHPA membership - but what percentage of the US Hawks do they represent?
I'd like to know.
Too much focus on crowded, over-regulated (and therefore dangerous) ridge soaring sites full of skynets can't be good for our sport of recreational hang gliding.

For instance, I was delighted to see BobK venture out to a thermal site on his (very) portable sailplane and potential thermal weasel.
Thermal flying is so much more promising, challenging and interesting than repetitive ridge soaring!
The season is coming...

I'm reminded of the day, years ago, I drove from Owens Valley to Torrey Pines at the invitation of Steve Hawxhurst to fly those famous cliffs.
It was a pleasantly soarable day. Not crowded at all.
I made a pass north, then south.
I thought, "Is this as far as they can go, here?" and then I landed, totally bored.
I asked a Torrey ridgerat, "Do you ever fly inland sites or the Owens?"
"Heck no," he said. "I might miss a good day."

I'm just saying, don't get stuck in an imaginary rut.
There's a lot of sky out there.
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Re: What could go wrong?

Postby Harry » Sun Mar 20, 2016 6:07 pm

I made a pass north, then south.
I thought, "Is this as far as they can go, here?" and then I landed, totally bored.
I asked a Torrey ridgerat, "Do you ever fly inland sites or the Owens?"
"Heck no," he said. "I might miss a good day."


Rick,

It's true the Owens and such places can spoil you. But for me Torry was one of those places I would visit while traveling to sites north or south of it.
My best flying there was during the winter months when the lift band was so wide, well, you could just head out over the ocean for almost a mile. Turn slowly back and get the grandest view of the coast you could ever imagine.

On marginal days, the mountain pilots would end up on the beach from lack of slow speed soaring skills. On the flip side, the regular Torry pilots couldn't thermal to save their lives.

It was a good place to sharpen the soaring skills and move on.
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Re: What could go wrong?

Postby JoeF » Sun Mar 20, 2016 8:33 pm

Thanks, Rick.
The "draft" was not done. All before the "draft" intended for OZ, and all here, except the "draft" I carried no support for the RRG. I winced in putting a copy of the "draft" here above. I'd edit out the RRG also for recreational hang gliding.
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